Hot take: I'm more pro free software than Suiseiseki

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life free software = software with the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want with it

@eric@pl.starnix.network @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com unlike for example the GPL eula which comes with a number of restrictions

@maija@netzsphaere.xyz - https://netzsphaere.xyz/users/maija @eric@pl.starnix.network - https://pl.starnix.network/users/eric @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki those only exist because we have copyright

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @eric@pl.starnix.network @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com see Public domain Equivalents

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @eric@pl.starnix.network @maija@netzsphaere.xyz If we didn't have copyright on software, we would still need some defense against those who put source code under NDA.

@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki @eric@pl.starnix.network - https://pl.starnix.network/users/eric @maija@netzsphaere.xyz - https://netzsphaere.xyz/users/maija cracks and pirated software would be legal, would there be an incentive to making software that is non free?

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @eric@pl.starnix.network @maija@netzsphaere.xyz Unless you steal a storage medium containing software with the help of a boat, you have not pirated software. Yes, bypassing digital handcuffs and sharing object code would be legal. There are plenty of malicious hates to deny the user freedom and therefore software would still be made proprietary via withholding the source code by monsters.

@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki @eric@pl.starnix.network - https://pl.starnix.network/users/eric @maija@netzsphaere.xyz - https://netzsphaere.xyz/users/maija You didn't answer the question. "Malice" is not a justifiable incentive.In a world with no copyright, what incentives there would be to writing non-free software?

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @eric@pl.starnix.network @maija@netzsphaere.xyz That was this world - for a long time, software did not fall under copyright, until some court decided that software fell under copyright. Many businesses made software proprietary via NDAs out of pure malice and contempt that the user would have freedom, when copyright did not apply to software. Such disincentives would still exist if software was to fall out of copyright.

@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki @eric@pl.starnix.network - https://pl.starnix.network/users/eric @maija@netzsphaere.xyz - https://netzsphaere.xyz/users/maija The problem that you have is that in that world anyone can just make a better copy with exactly the same code and just sell it for a cheaper price (or free), you cannot do that now, look at nintendo and adobe placing patents on everything, from what I understand there are things that cannot be legally implemented in gimp because of copyright is that correct or is it just bad by design?

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @eric@pl.starnix.network @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @maija@netzsphaere.xyz in that case it would be patents, not copyright. I am open to arguments on copyright existing or not but total fucking patent death fr. Most abused legal system in the entire world and it needs to be done away with.

@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co - https://clubcyberia.co/users/RustyCrab @eric@pl.starnix.network - https://pl.starnix.network/users/eric @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki @maija@netzsphaere.xyz - https://netzsphaere.xyz/users/maija in my mind both patents and copyright exist in the same realm, it's the state forcing you to act a certain way around things that should be dealt by individuals, which is anti freedom

@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @eric@pl.starnix.network @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @maija@netzsphaere.xyz in practicality they are worlds apart. Copyright is restrictions on copying very specific and tangible material. You cannot infringe copyright by accident. Patents are literally restricting you from having ideas that you can very easily come up with yourself with no outside influence.

@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @maija@netzsphaere.xyz @eric@pl.starnix.network you easily can infringe copyright by accident, unless you just never download anything from or upload any form of derivative work to the internet ever.

@Cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @maija@netzsphaere.xyz @eric@pl.starnix.network you're at least always aware that you're posting someone else's work and thus it's a possibility. Patents can be infringed on a desert island with no contact with the outside world.

@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @maija@netzsphaere.xyz @eric@pl.starnix.network but people don't live on desert islands independently of society, so this distinction doesn't mean anything. it's also a sequence of bits, not somebody else's work.