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BroDrillard
A lot of "autistic right-wing extremists" are surprisingly normal people. And pretty much all our batshit conspiracy theories have turned out to be true over time.


PopulistRight
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From what I have seen, many, if not most, on the "right" have bought into every "tar the movement" psy-op bait introduced to smear the truth - from 9/11 to the Pandemic.
There are many people out there who believe that the planes on 9/11 were "holograms," and that either "viruses don't exist" or the "Covid virus never existed."
As a result, when you try to tell relatively-sane mid-wit normies about how 9/11 and the Plandemic/Vaxx conspiracies were run by the Rulers - using open-sourced facts - they think you are one of "those crazy people," and return to eating their MSM-Gruel - simply because the latter seems "less crazy."
The same "lesser of evils" perception is why Biden had to literally "open the borders" - to make Trump's weak / pro-Shamnesty immigration policies seem "far less bad" - never mind the policies we voted for in 2016. Similarly, pushing "trans" (as Trump did openly through 2021) was to make "regular faggotry" seem "not as bad." And, somehow, "continuing all the wars" was compared to "didn't start any NEW wars in his 1st Term," vs ending the wars (what we voted for).
One would think a child could see through this, but ...

BroDrillard
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"Flat Earf" and similar ideas are intentionally seeded to discredit "conspiracy theories", which are the results of people noticing real patterns. I think the term is "epistemic pollution".

angry about jews
well i'm not interested in being psychologically manipulated regardless of the visibility of the source code.

Zardoz
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I don’t know about the rest of the things you listed, but there was no Covid-19 virus. An RNA molecule does not have the replication fidelity to travel the world in the way described by the screens. Believe what you like.

PopulistRight
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Covid was constantly mutating from the "original strain." But Moderna's 2016-patented "gain of function" spike protein** did not change much, because it was very effective - so natural-selection preserved it, until the "vaccines" targeting it were released.
A good study showing this effect was a locked-down Vietnamese hospital, with gene-sequencing equipment on-hand, which documented how the variants among the newly-vaccinated hospital staff differed from the variants circulating in the general population. This also revealed the then-new vaxx did not "stop the spread."
News Story:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Vietnam-detects-COVID-cluster-at-hospital-after-vaccinations
Subsequent Paper:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
Moderna's Patent - 1-in-3-Trillion odds this patented sequence would "evolve naturally":
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

Vietnam detects COVID cluster at hospital after vaccinations
Ho Chi Minh City struggles to stop spread after outbreaks in northern factories
WhitestTemplar
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If you are manipulated by chatbots you are niggercattle, which is why said niggercattle shouldn't have access to the internet.

angry about jews
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i honestly know there was a point in my life tho it didn't exist then, that i coulda got caught up in it.
WhitestTemplar
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Not sure if it is just my spergy brain, but I can't wrap my head around that. Even if I was talking to a chatbot as my main form of entertainment I'd always have in mind its limitations and the reality of what it is.

Antonio Chaves
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If the "virus" they detected via PCR made up part of a pre-existing background signal, then the "vaccine" induced mutations were more likely the result disruptions to the patient genome caused by transfection.

BroDrillard
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Asking LLMs specific questions only carries the risk of them hallucinating and giving a BS answer.
Talking to LLMs as chatbots with no specific goal can result in both sides of the conversation free associating themselves into la la land. But you really have to lack self-awareness (typical shitlib) to think that you're some prophet because a machine told you so.
On a second thought I wonder if this is some sort of vulnerability of their mental sw/hw that exist in some people. Like how pot can bring schizophrenia out in some people who would be ok without that input. Also reminds me of "BLIT" by David Langford. (good story, highly recommended)

Cathie Leavitt
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I agree @entropyrider@gigaohm.bio with one minor quibble: I'm not sure transfection can induce mutations in the patient's genome...more likely it disrupts gene expression, cellular regulation and communication.
I'm not sure if a test exists that can detect the presence of transfected "spike protein" (or antibodies specific to it) distinct from all the other proteins that are in the background, whether or not the person was transfected.

soothspider
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It's also odd that they spent like 6 months parading around the idea that they were going to test HouseLyndseyRN for spike production (e.g. "integration" of the mRNA sequence) and as far as I can tell, the only integration was in her gut. (e.g. microbiome).
Which also raises so many other questions. How did any of the gut bacteria get this mRNA? The LNPs crossed into there I suppose. Yet, exosomes and phages can cross back into the body... what exactly do antibodies do then? (Certainly more than one thing as the body has shown in virtually every other metabolic cycle – e.g. insulin isn't single purpose either.)

Zardoz
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Hmmm. Perhaps explaining why Hazan was in the script due to her sequencing Covid in the gut (and assuring us it is something new)?

soothspider
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Unsure but WTH? Just happened. I haven't interacted with her directly for a while (don't even see her posts actually; despite having followed her for a while).
So I'm going to say officially that this forum is monitored. Otherwise someone please explain the timing.


Zardoz
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hmmmmm. well, you do make some banger X posts!
But yeah, best place on tbe internet is conversation amongst the ohmies.

soothspider
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Sure, but people usually LIKE the post that got the follow (or otherwise interacted with it). Anyhow, sus... just know that we're probably monitored as well.

Zardoz
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Roger. As far as I am concerned, they are welcome. I accept the side quest to de-program my monitors!

☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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This is an interesting conversation; even if it implies deeper-diving into specific biology programs than I’d even have *time* to peruse, if I wanted to.

Zardoz
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it’s wild. I have gone on such a deep dive, that I wound up here. It turns out Biology is required for understanding the last 5 years, or at least understanding that the public media, including the social media js nothing but controlled opposition and traitors.
Biological mythology is how they are rolling out the control grid for the purpose of turning every person on earth into an experimental animal.
Even more wild, is that the players in the Covid Operation were also players in 9/11.…and all connected to the Human Genome Project.

☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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Right right; even without graduate-level training in the paradigm, I more or less immediately realized the entire thing was a bid for power, using the medical establishment as its chosen weapon. But I was not able to “break the spell”, for any but my immediate family - because the extended family were being hijacked and manipulated on a level into which I lacked the necessary terminological tools to reverse-NLP them. It would have been nice 😌

soothspider
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I'd actually argue that all you really need is a Biology 12 or 1st year University level Biology to understand and explain it.
However Biology is so complex that unless you've been refreshing along the way, most people have forgotten what they do know (even if what they know is wrong). I guess it's similar in Physics and Chemistry (lots of details that one forgets).
This is why on the internet, you see pictures of photosynthesis (cycle diagram) and people excitedly scream "Krebs Cycle!" (It's the Calvin Cycle.) Because they kinda remembered it from HS when they had to memorize how much ATP gets created in the cycle (including in the electron transport chain), but forgot it's cellular respiration.
So for anyone trying to explain why transfections (asking your cells to express a foreign protein through an inserted mRNA strand) is bad, they must remember the mechanics of protein synthesis as well as the idea/fact that proteins get presented on the surface for inspection. Then they have to tie this into "common knowledge". For example, why are immunosuppressants used for organ transplant patients?
Basically walk from the top and explain it until it's at the level they no longer comprehend. The difficulty actually lies with people in a field where they should understand this. ~~The~~ _They_ show the greatest amount of cognitive dissonance in my experience. Yet even then, you can get them thinking if it's in an area they haven't had training against (e.g. IgG's trying to cross the blood lung barrier, why it's not transudation and why the mucosal layer orientation is the most important). Once you have a crack, you can approach them again later.
Also, the closer they are to you, the less likely they are to listen to you. It's an extremely weird human trait.
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PopulistRight
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Circling back to where this started - the "PREEMPT" and "DIFFUSE" projects - a few points I never heard anyone address:
Why, if the goal was to "immunize bats," would one use a human-specific "gain of function" spike-protein for a live-virus vaccine FOR BATS? Why not a "bat" specific spike, which was easily available from the bat-viruses they had collected?
Why would they "humanize rats" to have human ACE2-Receptors, then create human-contagious man-made viruses for their experiments - instead of creating viruses having rat-specific receptor spike, which would NOT be contagious to people?
I can understand the use of "humanized" rats to test EXISTING human-contagious viruses and treatments for them - but not for testing man-made viruses.
The entire "mRNA-vaccine" idea COULD have been tested entirely on animals, using viruses WHICH WERE NOT contagious to people - until they achieved an efficacious product conferring sterilizing immunity - assuming that was possible. Yet, this was not done.
These look like smoking-guns to me - that the INTENT of the entire project was malicious / bio-warfare - but I am open to new information.

Zardoz
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Most of this stuff you are talking about is just fancy ways of saying "models". This is all en vitro science, not en vivo. There is a real barrier there, and without real, human testing all this humanized rats crap is just marketing. There is simply no way an RNA particle is going to circle the world, there is no actual science to support the idea, only Hollywood NLP.
DEFUSE is almost certainly a narrative prop and not a real plan--a huge red herring to convince people that "lab leak" is real.
Edit: There is no way that a mRNA transfection is going to be a "safe and effective" vaccine. The immune sytem will not tolerate foreign proteins or any cells that produce them--and will target them for destruction. Auto-immune reactions are generally not beneficial, and and unbelievably inappropriate for a healthy human--criminal even.
dotEdus
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“There is no way that a mRNA transfection is going to be a "safe and effective" vaccine. The immune sytem will not tolerate foreign proteins or any cells that produce them--and will target them for destruction.“
Part of my confusion with who is a meddler and who isn’t is that some Health Freedom leaders have said things very similar to the way JJ says them, but he still doesn’t trust them. I heard Dr. Bachti say what you wrote above very early in 2021, I believe. He was 90% the same as what JJ says on his stream in criticizing the mRNA platform in that way, which would seem to make him a good guy. What about him would make him a meddler now?

tensorial_strain
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I presume you're talking about Prof. Bhakdi, the Thai-German person who was a faculty professor in Germany?
On one of Dr. J's last visits to MD4CEI (medical doctors for covid ethics international), Prof. Bhakdi said he agrees with Dr. J's assessment-- RNA cannot pandemic. Listen to Prof. Bhakdi's full response here:
[ https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/i9u7S2mrf8djPddeL1CN3K?start=31m57s ]
The regular person familiar with Dr. J and Prof. Bhakdi would next say: "Well ,Bingo! This needs to shouted from every rooftop! This is what I'd like to see/do to dispel the mythology!"
Instead, Prof. Bhakdi says 1) because Dr. J is right and 2) there is no argument from himself, then it's a waste of time discussing RNA cannot pandemic.
Medical Doctors for COVID Ethic International (5th Presentation) -- Gigaohm Biological AWAY GAME 15 Oct 2024

PopulistRight
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By "RNA Cannot Pandemic" - I'd like to hear what he means by this. RNA-based "cold" viruses do spread through populations very effectively.
By "RNA Cannot Pandemic" - does he mean that because single-stranded RNA types mutate rapidly (vs slower-mutating DNA-Flu types) - and because an upper-repiratory "less deadly" virus will out-compete and replace a "killer virus" in spread - therefore, the threshold of "pandemic" will not be reached?

Zardoz
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"RNA cannot pandemic" is a plain factual statement which also should get the gears spinning about the mostly unquestioned mythology surrounding these ideas.
Here is how I understand the phrase, so please blame me for this explanation. I don't serve in any official capacity at gigaohm--I am just a biology student. @jjcouey@gigaohm.bio can no doubt do it better, and I hope he will correct any clumsy thinking on my part.
Would you say there is a cold pandemic every year? No. Nobody would describe the cold or flu like this. Despite the story told by flu vax manufacturers, does it make sense that cold viruses travel around the world to strike in certain seasons (winter colds & summer colds)? Not really, and even then the vax companies don't refer to flus or colds as pandemics. A pandemic is story about a NEW disease, and as the story goes the new disease becomes Endemic eventually. But is this just a story? Do pandemics exist? Does endemicity exist?
You are aware that single strand RNA has low replication fidelity. By what mechanism would a molecule with low replication fidelity travel the world? This is something that just hasn't been demonstrated scientifically through repeatable experimentation. I don't need to prove that the story isn't true--I can't demonstrate a negative even if I want to.
"But what about 1918?".
Even Fauci, an expert in the 1918 "pandemic" was forced to admit that most likely the event was bacteriological (pneumonia) and not viral. Were people sickened by the dirty cloth masks that were mandated? Furthermore, analysis of all cause mortality numbers by Denis Raincourt show a lack of evidence in the numbers that there was an excess mortality event. Was the "pandemic" a media event? Was the pandemic even "real"?
I mentioned to you in the other post that respiratory infections are not understood. Here is the study I mentioned regarding pneumonia. No pathogen was detected in %62 of cases. Mix of pathogens present (assumed as causal) for the other %38 with the largest being rhinovirus at just 9%. These are for people actually hospitalized with pneumonia, so they are sick. But what is the cause of the sickness?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1500245
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son of sam harris
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'pandemics' are used as a coverup for whenever a mass public injection campaign goes seriously wrong. WWI was the first time that all US troops were mandated to take prophylactic injections and the consequence of that was the mysterious '1918 spanish flu'.
It was even described as such in books and articles written not long after the event. Never forget that blaming prophylactic injection is strictly taboo. Therefore any old other excuse is always used.
RNA is no different. The two most important things to always know are that it can be deadly and whatever illness you're trying to cure is never ever because of the prophylactic injections you gave earlier.

☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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What it looks like, to me, is med school textbook publishers just published whatever the guy signing their checks told them to publish.

☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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Do I know this ? Well, basically, yes. Can I prove it ? No.
But when it comes to dealing with Uncertainty, I’m a *huge* fan of Explanatory Power. Which possible explanation, of all available reasonable explanations, makes the most sense out of the broadest dataset ? While this doesn’t constitute *proof* in the classical sense of the word, it returns results with very satisfactory probability yields.

Maltheus
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@BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital The BLIT story describes extreme "adversarial examples", which do exist, affecting machine vision software and AI, and the human equivalent usually termed "cogitohazard".
What you're describing, however, feels more like people with an "infoallergy"? Cool concept.

Maltheus
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st Don't you mean predictive power? Freud has great explanatory power. Marxist theory of history has great explanatory power. Ask them why this or that revolution happened, you can guess their answer. Ask them about the next, and you can wait for them to be wrong.

☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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Thank you for reaching out for clarification. I understand you’re asking whether or not predictive power would be a better term for what I’m describing. In my usage, “predictive power” is a proper subset of “explanatory power”. By explanatory power, I mean specifically the capacity of a given explanation, to make sense of a dataset. The ability of an explanation to accurately predict subsequent outcomes and revelations, is one facet of making sense of it. But it isn’t the only such facet (though it’d be a hard sell to convince most people it isn’t the most useful). Hope that helps; if not, I’m happy to dive deeper.

Maltheus
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st Yes that's what I was wondering.
You said it "doesn't constitute *proof*", which is a commendable position in this positivist era. I can kinda understand how you deal with uncertainty, I just wish I had an easier time emulating parts of it.

Hoss “Cyber Jester” Delgado
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Flat Earth is a great way to get people to argue at length for hours about shit that doesn't fucking matter at all.
Nudhul
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@Hoss@shitpost.cloud @BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital @PopulistRight@poa.st its also dumb and wrong. we've known the earth is curved ever since we were capable of sailing.

Hoss “Cyber Jester” Delgado
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You just perfectly exemplified how the mere mention Flat Earth draws people in like rhetorical catnip and gets them wasting their time arguing endlessly about bullshit. Believing the earth is flat, round or a fucking pyramid changes nothing about the day to day reality people actually live in and the things that impact it in ways that materially matter to them, which makes debates about the topic great if you want people caught up in hours-long mental masturbation sessions instead of having meaningful discussions of any kind.

Arkana
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[email protected]@[email protected] @BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital This excerpt always holds very true



Maltheus
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@Arkana@poa.st If you ask people to think critically about what they read in the paper, you are simultaneously asking them to
1) spend a lot of effort (of the possibly limited mental variety)
to
2) remove themselves from their cultural group and be alone, singled out.
???
I'd wager many intelligent people *correctly trust the narrative* because they have a feel for the implications being *much more expensive* than being wrong about some trite stories.
The people falling in with the psy-ops may just want an alternative group. Again, when asking them to be critical, you assume they have the spare mental capacity to forge a worldview from scratch, and abandon that alternative social support network.