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sam as it ever was
No one cares about GNU because Richard Stallman, while important, is acomplete fucking weirdo cult leader and absolutism about "free software" drives most normal people who just want stuff that works and isn't actively getting worse and/or getting AI crammed into it by force.

The Loli Slavemaster
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@sam@froth.zone Richard Stallman is the only man stopping transjesters from forcing everyone into a BlackRock Ethical Source GPLv4.
waifu 


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@sam@froth.zone - https://froth.zone/users/sam Hot take: He's done more bad than good for free software
https://froth.zone/users/sam

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@waifu@mai.waifuism.life @sam@froth.zone free software does better on its own than any evangelizing does

nemesis
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life and making it an evangelization thing makes free software itself worse
if your selling point of your software is just "it's free!", there isn't much else good to say about it, most likely

sam as it ever was
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@nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Additionally in English the term "free" is almost exclusively associated with "costs no money to use" but the extreme autism prevents them from changing the verbage

Kerosene - I Just Gooned, inc.
@VD15@pl.valkyrie.world @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @sam@froth.zone He can still redeem himself before he passes away from super cancer by changing GNU's official mascot to a sexy Gnu girl.

pettanko
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@sam@froth.zone @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love That's honestly probably for the best, "it's free of charge" is more appealing to most people than "it's free to tinker with."

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@sam@froth.zone @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Free has always meant freedom in English, but many people don't know English and fall for marketing.
There is not really any other good term - there is libre, which have the same meaning, but many people don't recognize that.
So what term do you suggest?

Pawlicker 🐾😹
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@sam@froth.zone >implying it's people like him and not Hector Martin



Arcana 👑
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@nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life yes, the best free advocacy for free software is the software actually being good

school supplies
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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @sam@froth.zone the name "WinterMute" in the 2nd screenshot is an unfortunate coincidence

Phantasm
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>Free has always meant freedom in English
Yet your "free" license is restrictive in its nature (freedom removing). :)

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Please explain what freedom is removed by the GPLv3?
- You are given unlimited permission to run the software without requiring acceptance.
- You are given the source code and permission to change it - but you are not given permission to take that freedom away from others.
- You are given the freedom to distribute the software, even commercially - but you are not given permission to take that freedom away from others.
- You are given the permission to distribute your modified versions - but you are not given permission to take that freedom away from others.
The result is 4 freedoms and that slimy proprietary rats cannot take the freedom away.

Phantasm
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Freedom to do whatever the fuck I want with the code, ie. true freedom without restrictions imposed on me.

Fe₂🦀₃⋅H₂🦀
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love normies will not care that it's "libre" but they will care that it's enshittification resistant. You're not going to wake up to git showing you ads.

Phantasm
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@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>but they will care that it's enshittification resistant.
But it's not. Linux devs have a fetish with reinventing the wheel every ~5 years. Things are worse than they've been 10 years ago.

Fe₂🦀₃⋅H₂🦀
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love by enshittification I mean installing candy crush and copilot and fucking advertisements on your lock screen
Maybe you can pick out one or two examples of a promo screen appearing in linux but there is nothing that approaches the same galaxy as this
(Firefox doesn't count because Mozilla is a captured organization)


Pawlicker 🐾😹
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@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @phnt@fluffytail.org @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life
>by enshittification I mean installing candy crush and copilot and fucking advertisements on your lock screen
Linux enshittification exists. The Windows user will put up with the start menu being like this if they can run games. Wanna know what MS was doing during the 9x era? Coding in workarounds if it detected certain games to make it work.
Linux? lol, lmao.


pettanko
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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love >breaking Celeste
based chud Linux devs

Phantasm
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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>glibc
>backwards compatiblity
Not even once. Whenever they break ABI for something major, they just go: "See, the standard actually doesn't mention the type of X, therefore this is fine."

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love What glibc does was 100% based and GNUpilled.
glibc does indeed remain forward ABI-compatible.
The elf sections change didn't break a single free program - all it did was trigger the digital handcuffs on proprietary malware.
It's up to the distro to set the elf sections that the programs expect and not glibc regardless.

Phantasm
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>be the literal pilar of the whole userspace
>break userspace on a regular basis

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love There is no need for a pillar - software doesn't care what way you build it - you can build it upside down or sideways just fine, as it doesn't have to worry about gravity.
The GNUspace wasn't broken - rather GNUspace was enhanced, as elf binaries shrunk in size now that they no longer contain a useless elf section by default (instead the finest GNU section that supplies the needed information and more are there).
It is GNU's duty to break proprietary software while enhancing GNUspace and it should do it more often.


Pawlicker 🐾😹
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love "here's why software breakage is a good thing actually"

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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life >.do this more often
> oops, linux market share back at 0.5%

nemesis
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life with friends like suiseiseki, linux doesnt need enemies
waifu 


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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @phnt@fluffytail.org @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>Suiseiseki not only doesn't believe in gravity but is also a male feet fetishist
💀💀💀💀

Pawlicker 🐾😹
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@nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Linux users are allergic to people using Linux


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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Yes, PROPRIETARY MALWARE getting broken is a GOOD THING.
Please send in more glibc patches that stop proprietary malware from running, just as long as you don't break any free software.

sam as it ever was
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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love most of them are hardcore gatekeepers that don't want to see "normies" anywhere near their precious hobby that no one cares about and see any normal using their special software as an idiot
waifu 


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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co - https://clubcyberia.co/users/PurpCat @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co - https://clubcyberia.co/users/RustyCrab @arcana@fedi.layer02.net - https://fedi.layer02.net/users/arcana @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net - https://fedi.layer02.net/users/nemesis @phnt@fluffytail.org - https://fluffytail.org/users/phnt @sam@froth.zone - https://froth.zone/users/sam @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love - https://tsundere.love/users/mischievoustomato do you actually have a mental issue?i'd feel bad about making fun of a disabled person

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@sam@froth.zone @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Every single hardcore GNU developer and hardcore GNU user is a hardcore GNU/Gatekeeper that ensures that proprietary cancer is prevented from getting past the GNU/Gate into the holy system and that it is also searched for and casted out when found.

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@PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Debian is proprietary software now - I will never install such proprietary malware.

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life it's called WTFPL and it Just Werks

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@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love The "WTFPL" is not suitable for software, as it does not contain a warranty disclaimer and therefore you are giving warranty for the software by using it.
There is a modified version with a warranty disclaimer, but that is still quite a poor license.

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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life GPL doesn't contain a "using this software doesn't mean the author is willing to give me all his money" disclaimer, i should go claim my cash right now huh

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@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love 15. Disclaimer of Warranty.
THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED
OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE,
YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.
16. Limitation of Liability.
IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MODIFIES AND/OR CONVEYS THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL,
INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM
TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
17. Interpretation of Sections 15 and 16.
If the disclaimer of warranty and limitation of liability provided above cannot be given local legal effect according to their terms, reviewing courts shall apply local law that most closely approximates an absolute waiver of all civil
liability in connection with the Program, unless a warranty or assumption of liability accompanies a copy of the Program in return for a fee.
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life yes stuff like these should be assumed from the beginning, listing it out is just a formality

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@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Unfortunately, that's not how the legal system works.
The EU even wants to make software developers liable for fixing what they believe to be security bugs, even if they are a volunteer writing software for themselves and make it available to others from their love of freedom - thus an extensive warranty disclaimer is likely soon to be highly important.

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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life assuming everything applies unless explicitly stated not to is pretty dumb, like in my example earlier the GPL didn't specifically state that using the software doesn't mean the author now owes me all his money, but if i try to make a case with that it's more likely i'll just get laughed out
>EU
sorry you're in a failed state


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@branman65@poa.st @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love You say that, but I'm posting with 100% free software and are not using any part of windows.
windows will rule over suckers forever who can't say no even once.


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@branman65@poa.st @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @phnt@fluffytail.org @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life i run a super complex linux distro (due to autism) but the elitism is retarded when it comes to a... general purpose OS. I'm more than happy if people get on board on Ubuntu, LM or Fedora. Even arch or endeavourOS. We all benefit.

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mischievoustomato - https://tsundere.love/users/mischievoustomato Exactly. And, not just Linux---any alternative OS from the current computing software oligarchy. Gatekeeping only does a disservice to everyone. And, almost all popular Linux distributions running GNOME or KDE will be more than suitable for basic computing for the average user. Supporting normies to try it and explore it should be encouraged. PurpCat - https://clubcyberia.co/users/PurpCat nemesis - https://fedi.layer02.net/users/nemesis arcana - https://fedi.layer02.net/users/arcana phnt - https://fluffytail.org/users/phnt sam - https://froth.zone/users/sam RustyCrab - https://clubcyberia.co/users/RustyCrab Suiseiseki - https://freesoftwareextremist.com/users/Suiseiseki waifu - https://mai.waifuism.life/@waifu branman65 - https://poa.st/users/branman65

soy tomato (@[email protected])
Man Arch Linux user Laptop enthusiast Somewhat right wing, somewhat left wing. I dropped Serial Boredom Lame at ep5 I was the first guest on @TheFediFiles 🍅

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@adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @branman65@poa.st @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Gatekeeping is important because the lack of proper gatekeeping is exactly why the Linux ecosystem is getting worse every year. If all the crying devs that forced politics into everything with CoCs and similar didn't infect the whole community, we would be in a better place.
Let normies and crybabies into an open system and they will always destroy it. Especially in IT.

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @branman65@poa.st @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love There is no "ecosystem".
An ecosystem is something that naturally occurs and you just observe - you do not question whether how the owl eats the mouse is right - you observe that it does.
There is proprietary software artificially added and maintained by Linux and such acts are deeply immoral and go against the very reason the GNU system exist.
Proprietary CoC's do not infect GNU, but they do infect software that regards itself as "Linux".

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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @branman65@poa.st @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>Proprietary CoC's do not infect GNU, but they do infect software that regards itself as "Linux".
I'm getting kinda tired of this thread since there's nothing that funny going on anymore and touching grass is a better way to spend my time, but anyway.
GNU has a CoC since 2018. Same with CLAs btw. Before contributing to GNU codebases, you sign away your copyright to them.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @branman65@poa.st @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love >GNU has a CoC since 2018.
That is not a CoC - that are guidelines that developers can ignore just fine.
>Same with CLAs btw.
GNU has never used a CLA.
>Before contributing to GNU codebases, you sign away your copyright to them.
Stop lying.
Some GNU packages have determined the best way to manage the licensing and exceptions and also to ensure the software remains free is to require a copyright assignment to the FSF to accept nontrivial contributions - but such is up to the maintainers of each package and most GNU packages don't require an assignment.
The assignment is not a CLA - the FSF is only given the permission to relicense to a free license, or add license exceptions in cases when doing so is to the best interest of free software and at the end the copyright is assigned back to the contributor (so they can use their contributions elsewhere if they wish).
This has allowed GCC for example to add a the GCC runtime library exception, the libgcc exception and the libstdc++ exception - otherwise well in some situations you could only compile GPLv3-compatible software with gcc after all.

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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @branman65@poa.st @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
>stop lying
lol, lmao even. You stop with mental gymnastics and bending definitions. Assigning the copyright to the FSF (a company) is literally the modern definition of what a CLA aims to do.
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html
https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2014/spring/copyright-assignment-at-the-fsf
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html

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@phnt@fluffytail.org @PurpCat@clubcyberia.co @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nemesis@fedi.layer02.net @sam@froth.zone @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa @branman65@poa.st @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love >to the FSF (a company)
More lying.
The FSF is registered as a not-for-profit charity and it certainly doesn't operate as a business either.
>is literally the modern definition of what a CLA aims to do.
What a CLA aims to do is a total surrender of copyright to a business, so the business can make the software proprietary.
A CLA certaintly doesn't; "grant back to contributors a license to use their work as they see fit. This means they are free to modify, share, and sublicense their own work under terms of their choice. This enables contributors to redistribute their work under another free software license. While this technically also permits distributing their work under a proprietary license, we hope they won't."
