This might get spicy, but I'll ask anyway: how do you niggas feel about AI art? Personally I'm generally in favor of it - AI art is an absolute Godsend for overlooked characters and niche fetishes, and genning stuff that looks better than like 80-90% of what meatbag artists make isn't even hard at this point. AI can't match the truly good artists, and various mistakes and imperfections still persist, but it's nonetheless amazing how quickly you can make some pretty good and unique stuff. Now, obviously there's a problem with various sites being overrun by AI slop, but that's ultimately their fault for not imposing basic quality control, and not an argument for Total AI Death.
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Like you said, mixed bag... ....sadly I cannot figure it out to make thumbnails for my lame streams.
ChristiJunior - https://detroitriotcity.com/users/ChristiJunior I'd suggest a 'report AI slop' button for when there's too many legs/fingers/etc, but the commie art snob faggots would write bots to flag everything. Hopefully they'll all starve to death when pervs realize they can have AI generate all sonic inflation porn they could possibly desire for free instead of paying people on the internet to make it by hand.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com AI Buck Breaks the Libtard, Spiteful Mutant infested area known as Artfags. It is a net positive in finally putting those faggots on notice that they can and will be replaced!
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com I don't like it because it feels like it all looks the same. Of course some people can tard‐wrangle it into having a less AIsloppy style but even then it still has AIslop artifacts. Also, I know that this is not entirely the fault of AIslop but I hate how it has caused a good amount of artists to put gay anti‐AIslop noise and watermarks. I think that I will vote the last option.
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As a man with a niche waifu I like it
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Fundamentally it's a tool that could have some very interesting applications long term. That being said the vast majority of it is pure slop flooding areas where real art used to be found. There are plenty of exceptions that are well made, but they will never reach beyond a certain level of artistry and creativity. Basically while I do actually enjoy some aislop anime girls, there are far better ways to potentially make great use of AI in the future. It just needs to be put in it's proper place. I view it as a mixed bag.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com It's likely a net positive (but mostly for the amateur indies) with several problems that may barely be (or already is) resolved with some time. While it does crush the hearts and souls of just about every type of artist imaginable, I do not feel sorry for most of them after their political charades from the past several years. The real benefit is producing artwork that nobody is interested in creating, whether it's an obscure character or a quality shitpost. The other unintentional benefit is that physically tangible artwork like paintings and clay sculptures are gonna be a little bit more valuable (mostly in spirit) now that digital artwork in general is slowly losing its value. I'll consider AI-generated translations of media a work of art (and a fine enough one for me), as long as someone is producing and auditing the prompt results. The real cost is the fact that the OC donut steel watermarks in even some good digital artwork has evolved into "NO AI" and "DO NOT repost" now. There's also just not much methods so far to filter out spam nor show media that is made only by humans/subhumans within search results in general, unless you check out curated websites like Cara, a small social media site made a while ago because most of the expensive type of AI trends have gotten out of hand for them.
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If we're talking strictly ai art only, then net positive.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com depends can it make booba big and draw hands perfectly
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seriously, do faggots jackoff to sonic inflation fetish porn or is it just some meme thing that purely exists for lulz?
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@BleachWaffen@clew.lol I wouldn't say "perfectly", but...
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@GrungeQueef@poa.st @RegalBeagle@merovingian.club Unless all those DeviantArt pics were one big Troll, it's actually a thing. Same with MPreg
GrungeQueef - https://poa.st/users/GrungeQueef ChristiJunior - https://detroitriotcity.com/users/ChristiJunior I imagine it's some sort of challenge, sort of like speedrunning but even more perverse and degenerate. It could be there's a sick subset of people that get off on commissioning that stuff. The act of them paying someone to create such abominations and knowing that someone has to actually labor to create such trash is the sexual component of the fetish. Maybe I'm looking too into it.
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find me some woke artist bitch who's on the brink of homelessness and desperately in need of cash so i can force her to draw degenerate Gollum rule 34 art just to drive her even moar insane 🤣
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com i'm not absolutely opposed to ai art because real artists will still keep making real art and the people who actually care about art will keep paying the real artists for thier art. ai art is useful for some things but it's not art because art requires an artist. and prompting a computer isn't the same as actually putting in the work to make something no matter how much copium you consume.
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They're fun for small whims (Ghibli-style album covers, memes, et cetera) but insufficient to replace anything complicated.
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AI art is basically a toy. Its primary purpose is amusement.
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@wgiwf@poa.st @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com well actually it's primary purpose is gooning
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@TheEternalBungholio@poa.st @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com Something else that I should mention: I am okay with rejecting some of AI-generated artwork if I am able to have based IRL sculptures like the Confederacy or those lovable golliwogs (or really most artworks that are not mostly digital) without any risk of removal or arrest or deletion or whatever cancellation attempt thrown at artfags. Something like a Robert E. Lee statue is basically gonna strictly live on through digital means (AI or otherwise) only now that the original sculpture's already gone. There's a reason why stuff like RAC is never out in public on the radio.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com I enjoy making AI art. I have done drawings before, but I do not enjoy the process at all. With AI I can get something I want much faster and iterate easier. I don't care about being "original" so much as I care about experimenting and trying to find things I enjoy. As far as other people's AI art, like everything else it's hit or miss. There are many low quality normal artists, just like there are many low quality AI generating art. High quality AI art still requires a lot of time, workflow, testing, etc. It is not just "cheating" in the same way that using 3D software. AI generating art lowers the barrier to entry, helps train your eye to what kind of things you actually want in art, and lets you accomplish things that would otherwise be very tedious or difficult.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com AI is gods rightful punishment towards western artist for being a bunch of insuferable faggots It's also a rightful punishment towards eastern artist for being a bunch of schizos willing to delete their entire gallery over the pettiest of bullshit
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Huge chunk of artists are NPCs anyhow.. not any less soulless than what we commonly consider AI... Plus ya do generate series of images that you would never commission.. Are Donkey Girls amusing? Yes ... are they worth money? Nope..
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@RegalBeagle@merovingian.club @GrungeQueef@poa.st @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com My nigga whenever furfags have some sort of convention they manage to turn the venues and hoteles into literal biohazardous areas THEY ARE INTO THAT SHIT
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com > but that's ultimately their fault for not imposing basic quality control, "If you don't deal with wave after wave of slop from SEO farms in Bangalore, you haven't done basic quality control. Either have Google's resources, or fuck yourself."
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At this point my mind lumps it together with third world scammers.
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tbh i don't care much because AI won't be able to make what i like, so it's only me who can do it. Plus, at this point i consider most AI art just coomerslop.
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com Yes, AIsloppers cannot behave themselves. Even after pixiv finally added an AIslop flag and an option to filter out AIslop (why did they ever allow it in the first place
…) you will occasionally find an AIslop whose uploader didn't bother to tag it as such and you will see it regardless of your AIslop filter setting.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com - https://detroitriotcity.com/users/ChristiJunior Ai generated images aren't art by definition, it's mostly a toy that gets boring after a while
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @BleachWaffen@clew.lol I still like liltotto more but she's cute.
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When talking about "AI art" most people will probably think of the memes generated by consumer-grade services like ChatGPT or Grok. On the "slop-art" spectrum, this is firmly on the slop side. Other platforms like Civitai focus more on art and sharing models that people have trained. You just have to wade through the art equivalent of the Ganges when you browse it. I've... seen things I wish I hadn't.
With AI art as a service you have little control over the process. And because it's a business you also need to comply with their ToS, which can be very restrictive. If you are an artist, depending on a service to produce your art is retarded. Generating locally is best because you have the most control over the whole pipeline. And if you like a style or character that isn't baked into the model you're using, you can just train a LoRA. Assuming you paid the Nvidia jews for enough VRAM. I hate the argument that "AI art isn't real art". The people making this argument are either ideological, have a vested interest, or they're referring to slop. The "AI art is theft" argument is also really gay. If you don't want your art "stolen", don't put it online. All these faggots putting anti-AI watermarks on their works genuinely aren't worth training on. Augmenting AI art with regular art skills can produce some truly stunning results. These traditional skills aren't going away or becoming less important. We just have new ways to use them now. Have some
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com I think it's an interesting tool that can be put to good use in the hands of people with talent, either people who have mastered genning stuff down to a precise science or as a foundation for other things to be built around or on by hand. Like with all things that ease access into an artform however, it results in floods of junk content that makes finding normal art more of a pain. Though I will admit it is fun to have the ability to press like 3 or 4 buttons and have the machine spit out art of someone like Altair who rarely gets new art.
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@supersid333@gearlandia.haus @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com >as a foundation for other things to be built around or on by hand. Not really, it always spits out 1 layer, not that useful
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@Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com There are artists who use AI to generate quick layouts of art to get a rough idea of proportions and such. It can also generate generic stuff that might not be interesting for the artist to work on like backgrounds which can be refined to knock any glaringly bad jank out of
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I feel pretty much exactly the same way about "AI assisted" (i think that's the booru tag) art as I do about artists who begin by tracing over 3D renders - at some point it's just a regular drawing regardless of the process. I think that's harmless, as long as it's not something that absolutely everyone is doing. Full AI gen stuff needs to be put under easily filterable tags and kept out of commercial products, as long as it's ghettoized it's fine. I say that simply because it's not good enough, kind of inherently, not because I care about starving artists getting paid or whatever - if you're not better than AI it's a personal problem.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com I hate artists and want them to starve, so it is the best thing ever
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How do you feel about DALL-E 1 AI art? I think everyone now can admit it looks like dogshit, and when it was new I thought it was dogshit, but at the time everyone else including lots of people here on fedi thought this crap was the best thing they'd ever seen, everyone was singing it's praises and fantasizing about how this was the next big thing. And then the hype moved on and everyone forgot about it because these images are meaningless, soulless, and have no staying power. So in a few years time I don't think you'll care at all about the current AI thing and that says more than I ever could.
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More fundamentally I don't think being able to mass produce images of niche media/characters makes adds any meaning or has any long term benefit. When this AI image stuff started taking off, an anime adaptation of my favourite manga was airing, it's a niche manga so the only fanart before this was very bad but you could still see the heart in it (pic 1). But now 99.999% of the fanart is glassy eyed slop (pic 2) and porn, and now that the anime is over and the series has returned to obscurity, it doesn't get new art with the newest AI models, so we're just stuck with a pile of garbage. What's actually meaningful is people finding this niche media and loving it so much that they improve as an artist to express their appreciation (pic 3 and 4)
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>I hate the argument that "AI art isn't real art". There are artists who do what are essentially collages, gluing photos or cutouts from magazines or whatever to canvas. This has always been controversial to artists who use traditional tools to paint. This compares nicely to the is-AI-art-art question. I don't like AI art, but I accept it. I don't like it, because, yes, it isn't real art. It isn't real art in the sense that a PM at an advertising firm isn't a real graphic designer. The person using an AI is telling a very talented, but kind of retarded artist what to make, much like a PM tells a graphic artist what to create. I accept it because the PM gets the credit for the final work just the same, sometime more than the graphic designer. When photography became ubiquitous, similar arguments cropped up. Alfred Stieglitz put on one of the first, if not the first, art photography exhibition in the early 1900s, but by then traditional artists were already thinking that the camera killed skilled art. Along with CIA chicanery, this probably had something to do with the rise of modern, non-figurative art like dadaism. That's more of a concern to me than "is AI art art". There are always second-order effects, and there are always unintended consequences. Automation always chips away at traditional skills until the only people who can still remember the Old Ways are geriatrics and autistics. That is, or at least will be, a problem. But it's a battle I've accepted defeat on. I'm not going to convince anybody that this will have a terrible impact so long as they can make a picture of Princess Leia in a Sailor Moon outfit doing a kickflip over a volcano by just... asking a thinking rock for it.
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Tis the nature of disruptive technologies, for better or worse. The Old Ways are survived as hobbies: candlemaking, film photography, arcade machines, etc. But some things are lost forever, like Blockbuster. Or the ability to read cursive or analog clocks. I don't believe in the steady and relentless march of Progress™; I believe we can (and have) degenerated as civilizations and as peoples. So I can understand your concern regarding the unintended consequences of AI art. We're already starting to see the consequences of LLMs and it scares me. People are becoming far too dependent on them. I hate to end on a bummer, so have some Real Art I drew by hand on a thinking rock.
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A thought experiment I like to toy with on long road trips: coronal mass ejection of sufficient intensity to zero out tech, but not intense enough to set fire to the atmosphere and we all suffocate. Where do I stand in this situation? Leave aside the survival aspects; just assume I'm a fanatical prepper and I've got assault magazines full of Spam or whatever. Can I, for instance, wire-wrap a generator driven by a stream or wind? If not, where do I get the information required to do so? Eventually we'll run out of scavengeable Bic pens. What do I use to keep records, and how do I make more? Also paper. Also binding that paper, so how do you make string anyway? Disruptive technologies are great, they are how we progress as a civilization. That said, recent events certainly demonstrate that we haven't made as much progress as we think. Perhaps the technologies haven't so much pushed us forward as they have papered over the slow overall decline. It's an important distinction, but it's not discussed much. It's not yet clear whether or how much AI/LLMs will damage us. I really wish we had some clear-thinking people keeping tabs on the state of this, but that's not something we do here in America, Fuck Yeah.
>thought experiment I like to toy with on long road trips: coronal mass ejection... Thank you baby Jesus, I am not the only one. There used to be a publisher called Lindsay Publications, that published "Exceptional technical books for experimenters, inventors, tinkerers, mad scientists, and "Thomas-Edison types." There are some still on amazon, and some other places. I got a great manual on dynamos, a US Navy foundry Manual, one on green sand casting, also one about regenerative receivers...might look that way if you are interested. Also the gingery lathe books, and foxfire books too.
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Doing this sort of thinking is why I look askance at accelerationists stanning complete collapse. I mean, sure, that's one way of regaining what we've lost, I guess. I don't think they've thought it through beyond "well, I have a bucket of rice and a 3.2 acre ranchette out in the sticks, I'll be fine". Basic shit like "nigger, you're going to run out of Advil, now what" is two steps away, and a lot of people can't think that way. I tend to collect old textbooks so I can feel like I will become a wizard during the Dark Times, but I could use some shit on metalworking, muchas gracias.
I got into using hand tools for woodworking because of the 'what if' I was presented with in the survivalist communities back in the day. Then simple forge work (thanks Roy Underhill and your great books), because 'where the hell would I get a new blade for my hand plane' is the logical next step. Lathes came next with 'Ima need screws to fix that' and then power...
Fedi is a fair bit more pro-AI Art than I expected it to be.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com I dont like AI art, especially senko AI, since I like that fox it feels disrespectful to fox. like, I wanna see fox look normal, not have 7 fingers
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There's an unfortunate problem with a lot of the gachas giving their girls cat, fox, and wolf ears but not a tail as well. Blue Archive, Genshin and ZZZ have this problem. The Wolf Defense League should send them some complaints.
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wgiwf @bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com It's usually artist laziness, "time constraints" (artist laziness and suit greed), or some kind of technical flaw (programmer laziness and suit greed) Not giving an kemono/monster girl her tail is worse than giving a girl four ears.
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It's not that hard to do. Blue Archive seems the most egregious, imo, because it's 2d sprites and they still only gave those two foxes tails.
@wgiwf@poa.st @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @SuperSnekFriend@poa.st i still maintain that the official lore reason is that kivotos does tail docking like how america does circumcision
@david@pl.dav1d.lol @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com it all depends on the model, the ones released 2 years ago are really light, fast and easy to set up but constantly fuck up on the hands
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It is Korean isn't it? Because they're big on circumcision as well.
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Azur Lane does it best
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MILLIONS MUST TOUCH FLUFFY TAIL
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5-6 years and no Yamato...
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The shyest of foxes
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I haven't played in so long I could never keep up with the new tech and ships. Laffey 2 brought me back once, not sure what could bring me back again.
@AsukaNeko@poa.st @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @SuperSnekFriend@poa.st @William_The_Dragonborn@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st for me, its le malin just kidding ive never played a single second of a gacha game
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What do you want a small fox? Yeah they have that.
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@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com AI art produces things that are generally pretty and allows you to ask for niche art topics that there are not enough of like smug ringlet haired aristocratic ladies in lacey underwear. I can see complaints. Stylistic homogenity is probably a tough problem to overcome and on the back half of the 80/20 rule, but the output is still om average pretty. AI music is an underappreciated aspect of rhe equation and likely to go places, in part because musicians can say neat tool and work withnit while drama queen artists screech
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Quite recently with this brat
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I say bunnygirl Laffey was the last one. But I haven't seen anything since then either.
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Now these ships, they showed why the house always wins