matrix@gameliberty.club I never understood the whining over requiring ID to vote. You know that people can ea<sily abuse the system if you don't verify them, right? You know that temporary ID's can be obtained for free or a nominal fee, right? Right?

@moth_ball@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club There's some really strange possibly astroturfed thing about "poor black people not having ID" or something like that I believe I saw someone do live interviews in such neighborhoods and people have IDs Actually, here's the "facts" https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet I would not trust that page to tell me the facts accurately

@coolboymew@shitposter.club I agree, ACLU has seemed like a strange organization to me, kind of like the ADL, but not as on the nose. And the talk about "racial justice and equality" makes me wonder, what's the point where it has been achieved? Whenever this rhetoric is present, the goal is never clear, just the fact that they want to push a certain direction more. And it's never going to end if public officials keep being afraid of lynching.

@moth_ball@shitposter.club As far as I'm aware the ACLU has long changed from what they were originally and are, as you said, just another Democrat astroturf tool like the ADL

@moth_ball@shitposter.club there is this youtuber, Louis le Vau that complained a lot about it

@coolboymew@shitposter.club There was some former ACLU worker on Joe Rogan's podcast recently who'd probably agree with you. Can't remember the name for the life of me but he had some really good points about defending speech and how suppressing bad speech has almost always turned around on the original supporters of the censorship.

@moth_ball@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club -implying the people whining don't actively wish for voter fraud fraud. I mean, that's how their man, a senile Mr. Magoo, "won" in 2020.

@coolboymew@shitposter.club @moth_ball@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club Politicians and the media talk a lot about White Supremacy but to me making the assumption that black people are overwhelmingly "too poor" to provide a form of ID to vote is a perfect example of it.

@coolboymew@shitposter.club @moth_ball@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club The historical context of their opinion is that voter id serves as a form of "jim crow" restrictions to voting. Poll taxes and literacy test were used to restrict voting during jim crow and of course with some people being poor they can't pass those test. Now everyone has an equal opportunity to vote. There are laws where a cost is associated with voter id but those are not in every state and it's difficult to say if they are unfair to a certain race. The argument I can make is easy: Secure access to voter id. No cost so people don't complain. Problem is government is more than content in not doing anything just to keep people pissed off.

@SADIDAS@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club @moth_ball@shitposter.club pretty much

@moth_ball@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club when i voted in november all the staff did was ask me to confirm the address i wrote on my registration papers

matrix - https://gameliberty.club/@matrix Checkmate, I like both

SADIDAS - https://shitposter.club/users/SADIDAS@matrix - https://gameliberty.club/@matrix coolboymew - https://shitposter.club/users/coolboymew moth_ball - https://shitposter.club/users/moth_ballTo me it seems more like they have no real interest in systematically helping them. Why campaign for not requiring them, while you can just give IDs for free when someone reaches adulthood?

@Mek101@mstdn.io @SADIDAS@shitposter.club matrix@gameliberty.club @moth_ball@shitposter.club all party propaganda without actually making the efforts to make things better along with making it easier to commit election fraud IIRC the ACLU were going against a whole lot of election laws this time around Very suspicious

matrix@gameliberty.club When you think there are principles, but there are no principles. r/K selection some times has better explanatory power than the political compass chart.