@ergo@fedi.neoeden.org @fristi@56k.dile-up.nl @sim@shitposter.world > There is an objective good and objective evil, To avoid this discussion, I specifically said "Good and evil are by no means universally agreed on concepts." I said you will not get universal agreement, because this is an empirically verifiable fact. > Im just going off stereotypes of the average fedi user who likes anime and has no fucking idea what he is talking about, Save it for when you're talking to one of those, then; I could just toss you into the bucket with the rest of the "weeb's remorse" crowd and then we could have a whole conversation where we're both addressing some internal mental model of whoever usually disagrees, but in that case why are we even talking to each other? We could be talking to anyone. It's a meaningless conversation unless we're talking to each other. > But why would you like them when they actively go against what (I assume) you consider morally good. I do not have to like the philosophical underpinnings of a civilization to get along well with people that come from it. I get along much better with Eastern Europeans than with most of the continentals. > Hating evil is good, tolerating it is not. Evil is abstract; I do not share the opinion that the entire continent embodies this evil. The Catholic Church is one of the most evil organizations ever to have existed but I don't hate most Catholics. I think the white supremacy deal is evil, but here we are talking. > I have to stop sitting on a fence and actually take a side or else it will be all for nothing. It's a long walk from "I refuse to distinguish good from evil" to "If you don't hate this country, you're tolerating evil." > (if you dont like me saying White) It's not a matter of what you call them. It's the category and the implications. First, that category is overly broad: Greeks, Germans, Russians, English, these are all different people. There is no cohesive "white race", there hasn't been; there are a lot of distinct peoples, with different languages and cultures and genetic stock. Second, that race is a heuristic, and not a great one: I've never interacted with an entire race, just individuals I've known, and it has served me better to take them as they come. Third, whitey ain't done me no favors; go back a couple of generations (that is, people I knew when they were alive, not some story passed down) and they've been a problem. Fourth, no one wants your solidarity with a group unless they want a useful idiot, and I decline; I don't want to even associate with a group that acts like shaved apes, let alone put their interests ahead of my own. That's the abbreviated list because I've heard this a million times, and I'm not interested in hearing that I should believe that up is down and black is white if it contradicts what I've seen in my life. I see you there saying what you're saying, I see the baizuo saying the opposite of what you've got to say, and I am interested in neither side: it's two groups saying the most retarded shit I can think of and treating race both the most important topic but also as a vague thing with new definitions that did not exist a hundred years ago. A lot of people that have been helpful to me over the years have been not even sort of white. People babble at me about Jews all the time; Jews never took my money. I look up and I see the Rothschilds, sure...but I see Carnegies, Rockefellers, Roosevelts, I see primarily "white" people fucking with the world. Congratulations: you are the first to start ranting about Asians instead of Jews but I don't find it any more compelling. > with asians, we need to stop being nice, it will never work, that is the game theory solution, Not your game: you are not a player, I am not a piece. You get to decide what you do. I've already decided, and I'm not interested in being conscripted. You can reason out how I've assessed the rest of this paragraph. > You are gonna need other people, you can't do it alone Can't do what alone? This feels like a platitude. > I have been looking for the least bad group Why? You can find the people you want to live around, sure, but if you're looking for a group to hang onto, you'll be disappointed over and over again. > non-whites are truly racist and xenophobic If you think they're shitty to you, you should try being Korean in Japan. > This modern enterprise of judging people by the content of their character and not by their race is purely a Western White thing, This is not a modern thing nor a white thing. Europe is currently mired in "treat the other races *better* because they are *better* and you're *privileged*" and it's as goddamn stupid as your proposal. You meet a person and you've met a person and that's the default and it's worked out for me and I'm not budging unless you can convince me that adding two and two should give me a different result than four. Instead of preaching to me, start by telling Ireland that they need to unite with the English because they're all white, or perhaps go convince the Bloc Quebecois to put down their rhetoric about secession. Farther back and we have families and clans as the primary group and that made a lot more sense than "all white people". > There is a difference, they are inferior and we are superior Extrapolate from what I've said about being a Pete supremacist and consider how it plays out if I were to take your suggested course of action. > They side with their team because its in their animalistic self-interest, I side with my team because my team is objectively superior. I had a feeling that this is where you were going during the previous paragraph about objective morality. > I'm not German either and when I say White that has little to do with the context of Hitler and American race relations. I'm not talking about Hitler, I'm talking the people on that square of land from the time Gaius Julius first marched north to present day. Any category that has me in the same class as them is an overly broad category if we're talking about interests, shared culture, any of it. > I think by continentals you mean Europe? I mean the parts that are not Nordic, Mediterranean, or Slavic. > that's very ignorant American bubble kind of thinking. Give me a reason to care. > The USA cant take Europe in a real war, > Call it "whoever ultimately sides with that which I consider morally good, when push comes to shove", and in my experience that is going to be mostly white-looking people. Expecting support on the basis of a heuristic is asking for it. > Genes are a thing, and very important, culture is not everything, I dont think you believe that. I do not view the "there are basically like four or five races or how do we count Arabs again or is the other one Indians?" approach as fine-grained enough to matter. The blank slate crowd was proven wrong before either of us were born; the converse had already been proven wrong. Two geniuses have a baby and you probably get a smart kid, sure. I haven't seen a race of geniuses, though. > I understand wanting to be on the side of caution not to be called a dummy racis but ultimately you gotta take a side. Now you're calling me a coward? And over something like public opinion? I'm the guy that has spent years getting shit on by your team and also Team Baizuo for running Free Speech Extremist. Really fucking retarded, you must be back to having a discussion with a stereotype. Too late, anyway: the baizuo have declared me racist, and the ethno-honkeys have declared me an evil race-traitor (without bothering to confirm my race), and both have spent years accusing me of trying to curry favor with the other group without noticing that the other group fucking hates me. No relation to reality. The reality is I just don't lie. Sure, I know how to keep my mouth shut when it's not relevant: work, the grocery store, etc. My entire life, I say what I think and people hate it and you think I'm going to budge on this issue but not any of the other shit? If the baizuo were my concern, why am I here taking shit from you instead of running some staunchly anti-racist Mastodon instance that doesn't even see you? Use that allegedly superior huwhite intellect for a minute: stop giving me talking points, start thinking about what you're saying and whether or not it *could* represent reality. Say some shit I haven't heard before, fuck's sake. I expect the shaved apes with sonnenrads in their bios to tell me shit like you're saying, because they already have: why bother repeating it?