gura graduating on may 1st due to disagreement with management

@ryuuji@varishangout.net WHUP. that's that, the senzawa thing i pointed out earlier, was foreshadowing. you mother fuckers.

@ryuuji@varishangout.net >gura graduating on may 1st due to disagreement with management Curious as to the specifics of that disagreement.

@LoliHat@varishangout.net "MORE AIDORU ACTIVITY OR NO PAY. NO MORE DERIVERY. ONRY AIDORU WORK"

@ryuuji@varishangout.net >"MORE AIDORU ACTIVITY OR NO PAY. NO MORE DERIVERY. ONRY AIDORU WORK"

@LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net It's because the investors want them to go full idol while they want to focus on streaming games. Most of the talents do want to be idols, just not as a career focus. Even the ones that were skeptical like Korone hopped on board the idol train after they actually tried it. But now that it's all the investors want, and all hololive offers as a career path... Going public is the death knell of a successful company. Even if they stay successful they kill what made them.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net Meanwhile we have phase connect where his top talents have already pledged to go awol if he ever goes public. I guess Fishman is going to have to run his sad girl company until it catches fire.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net Nah, Gura clearly could not handle being popular and she was stressing out about going online. She even talked about it in her graduation stream, The impostor syndrome got to her. Her first song is the proof to me.

@draw@varishangout.net thats just the straw that broke the camel's back. This is what, the 8th graduation that's mentioned management issues?

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net it's not only management, did everyone miss the "company direction" bit too? it has to do with covers current objectives as a company

@rlier23@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net their objective is to satisfy investors now. Talents come second. That's why they're dropping like flies and going indie.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net Which shows you how out of touch the investors and company board are as they've killed literally their goose that laid the golden egg.

@David@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net investors always kill the golden goose, always

@David@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net Imvestors are ALWAYS out of touch.

@David@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net why do all investors lack long term thinking

@blueknightfrank@varishangout.net @David@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net you know how retarded crypto and nft faggots are? Investors are just those people when they get lucky.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net Because that's the corporate response. How else you would explain in a neutral way, that they don't feel like being in hololive anymore? When you leave regular job, the answer why you did that, if you want it to sound neutral is also that you "disagree" with your employer how much you're getting paid or what's the scope of your work. > their objective is to satisfy investors now. Wasn't Gura coasting for years at this point now? Fauna was still making her minecraft tree, when Gura was already on hiatus. How it didn't bother her then, if the reason was management?

@draw@varishangout.net These rapid graduations only started happening after they went public. Pull your head out.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @blueknightfrank@varishangout.net @David@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net "Long term" just doesn't exist to these parasites. They want money YESTERDAY, and they'll suck companies dry for it.

@blueknightfrank@varishangout.net @David@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net Investing is gambling, not a job. Most investors don't even know *what* makes money as a company. They want fast and large returns, and whatever it takes to get those. It's very rare you get a large stock holder who actually understands or cares about the company or products.

investors are there for short term profits and gains, then they dump and move over

The stock market exists to siphon wealth out of a company and into investors' pockets

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net this is why i think ever since Advent and Justice debuted, hololive has been going through a paradigm shift. Im not saying those generations are bad, i have high respect for them as streamers, but it matches roughly when hololive went public on the stock market. Recent and future gens will feel like a replacement of the old gens, these new gens will be aiming more at idol stuffs rather than streaming IMO, but it's not because they want it but rather it's being enforced by shareholders and management.

@ryuuji@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net I think the thing that bothers me is that this will fuck up the careers of girls who DO focus on idol stuff anyways. Like Suisei. How long will her career with hololive last if talents keep graduating and leaving giant stock crashes in their wake? In pursuing 100% idol cultivation and focusing less on streaming they've ironically more than likely signed the death warrant for any idol prospects they could possibly have.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net the corpos are extremely fuckin retarded because they don't understand that by losing so many talents in such short period of time the general public is starting to think that something is deffinitely wrong and the fact that they have not been transparent about it makes it worse. by now there are more and more people starting to jumping into the idea that hololive has or is becoming a black company. who in their right mind would support the idols of a black company?

@rlier23@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net that's the crux of the problem though, there's actually no issues. It's just not wanting to do something you dont wanna do. Management: "Well, we'll require you now to take singing and dance classes 4 times per week and limit your streaming time" Talent: "But i wanna stream more instead. I dont like to do idol stuff" Management: "Seems like we're in a disagreement. It's okay if you dont wanna do this, but we'll have to part ways in this case. Here's your severance." Talent: "Yeah seems like it'll have to be this way." Now, if the management were actually forcing the talents doing things despite their disgust and opposition, that'd be a different story.

@ryuuji@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net It becomes an issue when the direction change eviscerates the company from the inside out.

@rlier23@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net Well...that's certainly a dip on the short term. Will have to continue watching if it goes further.....

Japanese business culture does them no favors in this regard. Even if there is nothing going wrong, hypothetically, and the company is transitioning to a new style of content it puts out the lack of statements by them doesn't help, as far as western fans are concerned.

@ryuuji@varishangout.net the suicide hotline is about to get real busy I wonder if she will go back to streaming on her old account?

@wgiwf@poa.st @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net they cant really say "hey we'll focus more on idol stuff rather than streaming now. Pls support our talents kthxbai." That's going to be a kick in the nuts to the fanbase that originally formed exactly because they are streamers.

Well when you say nothing people freak out instead.

@RecycleBin@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net >the suicide hotline is about to get real busy I wonder if she will go back to streaming on her old account? She just tweeted last week on her old Senzawa Twitter account for the first time since 2022. https://x.com/sensenzawa/status/1909994321031372921

@RecycleBin@varishangout.net she's going to be likely a year offline due to a non-competitive contract or some bullshit like that.

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net >build a successful idol company >fans and your idols are happy >make your company public >fans became QAnon and think that Blackrock now controls your company >idols leaving because investors are squeezing them for more money

There really isn't a winning move so much as pr actions you could take to soften the blow.

@ryuuji@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net ryu a girl just doesn't give up their dream job that easily, come on.

@wgiwf@poa.st @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net yep, it's a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. But no saying anything gives you more leeway for damage control. There's an adage here that literally translates as "Tongue is the body's punishment", meaning your words can bring you more problems and that sometimes is preferable to just keep quiet.

@rlier23@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net that dream job was turning and changing until it wasnt a dream; just a job that she wasnt liking. Dont get me wrong, i do believe there are issues in Cover and in the restructuration they are doing as a whole company. I dont want hololive making idol stuffs they main focus, it should stay as something optional for the talents to pursue. But some smoothbrains at cover are looking at charts and comparing how profitable are concerts and merch against streaming and they had the brilliant idea to pivot for idol stuff.

@ryuuji@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net >But some smoothbrains at cover are looking at charts and comparing how profitable are concerts and merch against streaming and they had the brilliant idea to pivot for idol stuff. Do they not understand what a "loss leader" is?

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @David@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net They don't care about sustained money. They want infinite number go uo

@Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net

@ryuuji@varishangout.net my money is woman brain and woman moment.

@Ronnie21093@varishangout.net @David@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @draw@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net like Ford said, investors are parasite.

@rlier23@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net odd fubuki hasn't. She did say she would leave immediately if cover started miss treating them

@Azur_Fenix@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net fubuki is close Friends with yagoo Chances are She's trying to do something from behind curtains to keep things under control

@rlier23@varishangout.net @Azur_Fenix@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net in other word's fubuki's words were just a public relations stunt

@Azur_Fenix@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net that sounds like more the reason to keep her happy and in the dark about key things as much as possible

@EdBoatConnoisseur@varishangout.net @Azur_Fenix@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net hmmm not quite, she's probably trying to talk to yagoo and fix shit because it's both her and her Friends company so she doesnt want it to go up in flames She's in a difficult position because of her loyalty

@MoeBritannica@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net Ooof....

@ryuuji@varishangout.net @Kyonko802@varishangout.net @LoliHat@varishangout.net @rlier23@varishangout.net true but remember, women aren't logical and it's rare you can trust what they say. Only what they do when they think no ones looking. Yes I'm cynical but I don't think that's unreasonable. Something fishy is going on and we are not being told everything.

>DECIMATES stock value the moment THE place for virtual youtuber discussion (read: autistic shitflinging) dies >Will be gone before it's back up Truly the queen of virtual youtubing.

@RecycleBin@varishangout.net @ryuuji@varishangout.net Probably most remembered for her drunken rendition of Country Road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqURBTpvh0A