Retards have a real hard time understanding why there's no point in rushing out the door to start a multiple hour long drive during rush hour. Trying to explain how it'll just add an extra 45 minutes of sitting in gridlock is like asking them how they'd feel if they hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday.

To be fair, the engineers are just as retarded thinking that adding more lanes until the end of time won’t just create induced demand, clogging up the highway even worse than it was before. Or failing to see how funneling every car in the city onto a handful of arterials from all the local and connector streets will inevitably overwhelm their capacity, no different from a river flooding when inundated with a host of seemingly inconsequential streams and rivlets after heavy rain.

induced demand is cope for an unmaintained underspecced road network and niggers being allowed to drive cars. Demand can only be induced to the point where everyone is where they need to go

Not everything revolves around niggers, and no that’s the whole point is that the road isn’t underspecced, cars are just space-inefficient especially in our hierarchical road network, and adding more space is just inviting people to fill it back up.

>Not everything revolves around niggers As an American, this statement does not compute. It's like you're asking me to divide by zero.

@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud >build roads in the 1970s and 1980s for a city half to a third of its current size >finally getting around to adding 2 lanes to the freeway >more people use the freeway OMG GUYS IT'S INDUCED DEMAND THIS IS AN UNSOLVEABLE PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST RANDOMLY START DRIVING AROUND FOR NO REASON AND IT'LL ALSO MAGICALLY SPAWN MORE CARS INTO EXISTENCE TO OCCUPY THE SPACE

Congestion isn’t a new problem, and this has been observed everywhere that they’ve tried just adding more lanes. Traffic doesn’t just spawn out of nowhere, a lot of it is people who had been taking less direct but also less congested routes but switched to the arterial because of its increased capacity, for instance.

never understood how this is supposed to be the case when 90% of people use gps these days and it tells you where to go.

Not for commutes. Although interestingly, Waze actually highlighted the safety problems with a lot of residential streets when it came out because it routed people around congested arterials and through obscure local streets increasing vehicle counts and people speeding through neighborhoods, which if the streets were built for human-friendly speeds of 10-15Mph wouldn’t be an issue. That might sound absurdly slow, but the good news is you wouldn’t even need stop signs and would maintain a higher overall speed than someone traveling 30Mph who has to stop for two minutes at every red light. For high traffic intersections you can build roundabouts.

Good idea, but cities can't even fill potholes these days let alone something more complex.

@BionicNigga@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud seems like it'd be way easier to leave the roads normal and not fucked up and slow in some stupid quest for "safety" and simply teach people to look both ways before crossing the street

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud @WandererUber@poa.st here's how we fix that mess chat first, tear out the random fucking concrete in the middle of the road second, buy some yellow and white paint and paint a center turn lane on there, so folks can turn left without delaying traffic behind them at the ends of the road, we can do some medians for left turn lanes at the light there, perhaps some right turn lanes as well depending on traffic if there's still room left in the road, designate some space for parking, but put a time limit on it, so deliveries and contractors and guests can park there, but residents park in their driveways and garages

Ironically in large part because of budgetary problems due to over-built car infrastructure leading to inefficient land use and just being unsustainably expensive to maintain. Every square inch of pavement is a liability, not an asset, yet because of the auto lobby and utopian economic policies parking lots eat up half the land in our cities. Strong Towns writes about this, there’s also a short video about the economics of bad urban planning here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQUOHlAocY

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud you know damn well what happens when cities ease off the minimum parking mandates: cheap developers provide as little parking as they can get away with, making the overflow everyone else's problem. literally tragedy of the commons with private profits & socialized losses. there are major benefits to reducing density to a more manageable level, from reduced noise & light pollution, to breaking up urban heat island, to providing space for underground utilities, to allowing stormwater to seep into the ground and chill in a retention pond for a while reducing peak flow rates rather than immediately hitting an impermeable surface and rushing into the storm sewer at warp speed.

paving over a bunch of ground for more road and parking doesn't do any of those... The permaculture people talk a lot about how cities waste immense amounts of stormwater in arid areas

Most civil engineers would agree, but your kids shouldn’t have to worry about getting flattened while playing in their own front yard for the convenience of 4,000 Lbs death machines that don’t even really benefit because of the congestion necessarily induced by traffic signals. Streets have always belonged to the people anyway, “jaywalking” is a forced meme invented by the auto lobby as a band-aid fix as part of their efforts to quell more substantial attempts to mitigate the dangers of cars that could cut into their profits, and you should be able to safely walk around in your own neighborhood, go to shops, and socialize without having to drive five miles to get anywhere or having to worry about drunk drivers hitting you at high speed. Traffic calming saves lives and improves quality of life for everyone.

Transit.

@BionicNigga@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud i may be a vtuber and enjoy dumb women, but my kids will be smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street your retarded traffic calming horseshit "improves" the lives of the dregs of society, while inconveniencing normal people just trying to get to work, run their errands, and get home. you are a spiritual leftist, caring more about the fent zombie too zoinked out of his gourd to know he's ambling along in the middle of the street than the hundreds of normal functioning people trying to drive there.

@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud it does when we dedicate some green space alongside it, like a big beautiful retention pond that captures the runoff from the parking lot, filters it through native vegetation to remove contaminants, and lets it run out at a slower rate. plus it looks nice to have plants and shit around instead of infinity buildings and a park the size of a postage stamp with a homeless encampment in it.

Agree. Rare though.

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud useless forced meme outside of new york city. there are two ways to go: either you have enough buses/trains/trams for the schedules to line up as a remotely usable system and accept the fact that they'll be running 99% empty and you're just hemorrhaging money or you run them based on ridership, and create a system not useful to anyone because they'd have to make the 4:30 bus and wait at the train station for 2 hours to get to work by 8

@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud not here in the great plains, storms that drop a month or two worth of rain in a day are just normal. but i can see why people in milder climates struggle with stormwater management, it's rarer to have big storms there.

It is expensive, but then so is maintaining road infrastructure and endless parking lots for dying malls and parasitic big box stores. I’ll admit that in smaller towns reducing car dependence may not be realistic or even as desirable - they manage to make it work in the Netherlands but that doesn’t necessarily mean it would work here, and other European countries struggle with their transportation systems. But stroads and excessive parking are a financial blight on American cities, and when they’re an active threat to the public safety of our people it’s not unreasonable to look for a better way.

@skylar@misskey.yandere.love @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud yep. we can get all 4 seasons in one week in the plains

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud first off you gotta quit assuming all parking that's not constantly in use 24/7/365 is "excessive". the idea is to build for peak demand, so there's always capacity at other times. civil engineers have put a lot of work into figuring out how much capacity is needed for buildings of various types and you're out here just totally dismissing that because you saw a mostly empty walmart once.

>every city is just managed by retards, it could work in principle >civil engineers have it all figured out

@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud the problems happen when a few city councilmen go on a fancy golf outing with the owner of Goldblatt Development LLC and then haha whoops all the planning backed up by studies goes out the window.

@DemonSixOne@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud don't forget the time somebody died on the subway and someone fucked the corpse

not the studies the walkable cities guys cite though, those are all bullshit

see bionic? Everything IS about niggers.

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@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud unironically yes 60% of it is LOOK GUYS THIS ROAD WE INTENTIONALLY FUCKED UP IS 53% SAFER.......because now people are choosing other routes to go around it 39% is LOOK AT THIS CHERRY PICKED SELECTION OF ONE CITY'S DOWNTOWN THAT'S DOING WELL.....but please ignore the other 537 square miles of the same metro area that are also doing well despite being mostly traditional american suburb

they did the opposite in the video thougheverbeit. The suburbs are not doing well. they lose the cities money.

@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud SHOCKING REVELATION: places where people live cost money, places where people go to shop and work generate revenue

Big box stores don’t, they‘re international conglomerates that don’t play nice with the rest of the community, suck business away from downtown, destroy more jobs than they create, pay subsistence wages, and to top it all off when they eventually close the building is useless for other retailers because they have deed restrictions preventing basically anyone else from using it and so it becomes yet another liability for the city.

The majority of transportation and land use zoning issues in USA can be reduced to "because niggers"

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud yet people keep wanting to shop there, because it's more convenient than going downtown and walking/driving to 6 different places. i am not a women so shopping is a chore, not a leisure activity.

that's not a good reply, you just moved the goalpost. This was about cost, which you brought up in the first place. People "want" all kinds of stuff. They'd probably want to dump their garbage into the storm drains if we let them. That's no basis for a community.

White flight is certainly one factor, but many of these trends predate the great migration and are due to other factors such as corporate lobbying and the government building car infrastructure after WWII to create a short-term boom in hopes of avoiding a return to the depression without realizing the long-term liabilities, so my point is that bad urban planning is not entirely reducible to “because niggers” as many right-wingers like to claim.

You may very well be right, but nobody will want to change it because "walkable" means "niggers can go to your house" and "transit" means "niggers can go to your house" also.

@WandererUber@poa.st @BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud my point is that some things that are nice and worth having are costs rather than generating revenue, and that's okay. we're not midwits with MBAs insisting every department of the company must directly generate revenue, cutting QA and IT, and then suffering the consequences. having a convenient place to shop pays off in saving people time, even if it costs money in infrastructure to build and maintain.

I agree, my core contention is that if we want to have White communities again they need to be White, and they need to be communities, and nigger- and car-infested cities are neither of those things.

The funny thing is that malls as originally conceptualized likely would have solved both our gripes, as they were meant to be the central social/commercial hub of a revised version of the suburban experiment, but unfortunately that never really happened.

@BionicNigga@poa.st @DemonSixOne@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud my brother in Christ, white people invented the car very antisemetic white people, even! and hitler went and came up with the idea of a car for the people, a wagon for the volk so to speak. we can have different places with different cultures and different development patterns, not reducing the entire western world to homogenized slop because someone's decided it's more efficient to have pods in 15 minute cities but with a coat of trad LARPing paint on top

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @WandererUber@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud the mall must be returned to its former glory, even if it's not a for-profit endeavor and costs the city money to maintain. we will put up neon lights inside, and serve drinks in the food court from the 90s cup.

@BionicNigga@poa.st @Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st @Hoss@shitpost.cloud @WandererUber@poa.st imagine it chat you take the mall exit off the interstate and within 2 minutes you're pulling into a big beautiful parking garage. you feel absolutely no concern over leaving valuables in the car or even something in the truck bed. there's all types of stores there, for both grabbing some groceries or a quick visit to the hardware store for the 2 pipe fittings you need, and it's a nice cozy place for a leisurely stroll and a nice meal or a fast food burger. and yeah the goth blue alien lady, gotta have her.

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