Sorry that this is my first post, but the TOS are a big shit; literally what they even mean?, is like: ¨okey, we like free speech but if you say something that we don't like, ban :)¨ or the kink list, why they could ask yours kinks, for administration issues, it doesn't make any sense; I don't thrust the free speech in here (these days any place), it smells bad, at least I can post lolis without any issue, but I will be reserve in my opinions at first, or at least until they make it more specific (TOS). Hope this is just a stupid worry and not a minds trap, in the thoughts, because I know lolis will be treated well in here

Linkitin77 the TOS about kicking people "we don't like" is more about people that generally act like retards and just annoy the majority of the users. We only had one person that we banned because of that. See: "While we strongly respect free speech, this instance was made to escape the cancers of main stream social media" "or the kink list, why they could ask yours kinks" see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke "Hope this is just a stupid worry and not a minds trap" i don't think you understand what this here is. a fun hangout place whitout any plans to make big bucks. we aren't big tech but just some random dudes on the internet.

Linkitin77 It's very hard to piss off people here so that rule will not really be used. I know it's not actually free speech, but what can ya do? The main idea of this hangout is to be chill.

DarkMahesvara ¨ NO, we aren't the same, but we have the same view, free speech to sale but not for real ¨ don't come with that, shizu is selling that all he can, I know the profit for maintenance come from donations, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with the lame TOS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mature

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara Should spamming be allowed as well then? 🤔

Immahnoob I know, but it hurts that Shizu break his promises, here it only works for cunny and nothing more, is a space just for escape from retards on Twitter.

Linkitin77 Have a minimum of decorum and with that you can post anything you want.

Linkitin77 i don't see where we have "free speech to sale" but okay. "don't come with that, shizu is selling that all he can" yes and you can say what every you want as long as it is withing law. if you are someone is being a annoying retard that is another story. "I know the profit for maintenance come from donations" lmao we don't make "profit" at least not yet. "but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with the lame TOS." never said you coulnd't disagree.

Immahnoob Linkitin77 depends what and how often you spam i would say. spam cunny how ever you want.

Immahnoob DarkMahesvara Bad felling of free speech and without any clear idea of what is the limit: By using this site you agree to take full responsibility for any and all content that you post or upload. Any views or opinions expressed in your posts are your own, and do not necessarily reflect or represent the opinions of the Varis.Hangout Administration The Varis.Hangout administration reserves the right to close your account without notice. If you find content in violation of US law, please contact staff immediately to remove it. While we strongly respect free speech, this instance was made to escape the cancers of main stream social media. The main goal is to preserve the hangout vibe, and as such we reserve the right to ban users who are seen as ruining this vibe at the discretion of the admin. ------------------------------------------------------------ rules, clear and with a form to recognize them : Don't break US law Don't spam Mark posts that have NSFW images as NSFW You agree to list your fetishes when requested ------------------------------------------------------------ you ever get in a debate, or know the meaning of speech? Spamming is not speech, and speech is conversation, you need that both parts interchange feeling, thoughts and ideas, to have a conversation, and spamming is a one way, its incompatible with conversation. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/conversation

DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 I'd say your definition of spam is pretty limited, I meant more like how that dude would pretty much cover the whole Public Timeline with only his posts. I haven't seen anyone capable of doing that before or after him, kek.

Immahnoob Linkitin77 the main reason he was banned is for threatening people and ignoring warnings from mods. but he was also an anyoing cunt.

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara Why is spamming not free speech? Nowhere in the definition of "free speech" is there a clause that says "Spam is not allowed", so basically, a "no spam rule" is also against free speech. Free speech is the idea that you are allowed to articulate your stance without repercussions, "spamming" is just another way to articulate your stance, but it's obnoxious as fuck, and nobody in their right mind would allow it unless that's the point of their site or whatever (see /b/ on 4chan).

Linkitin77 Immahnoob i don't get what you try to prove here. if you don't like the rules go somewhere else or make your own instance. or maybe lurk more before you judge us.

DarkMahesvara profit doesn't mean the same in ours languages, it close but not the same, just get it like gain the money for the maintenance, and nothing more, that It will never be bad to gain money for that

Linkitin77 Immahnoob DarkMahesvara The TOS is made that way so I can ban anyone I need too without needing to explain myself (see poast). If you don't trust me enough not to ban people willy-nilly, then you shouldn't trust me with your IP either.

DarkMahesvara I know, I was there. I meant that he was also a spammer.

Linkitin77 by definition we don't make profit https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/profit.asp#:~:text=Profit%20describes%20the%20financial%20benefit,it%20back%20into%20the%20business.

DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 i've only lost money :mokou_lying:

Immahnoob DarkMahesvara like I said just a conversation in one way, but I never get a problem with it, because its mention in a clear way. If they improve the first part, nothing that I can complain, because I will know the limits, that's my problem with the TOS, the first part is nothing clear.

Linkitin77 Immahnoob DarkMahesvara alright let me simplify it then "If you act like a knob, and you're annoying existing users I'm going to ban you"

Halo DarkMahesvara XD dark can't handle a misunderstood, I know, and I'm relieved that you guys do, but the first part of TOS can improve

Halo why are u suddenly british :hana_disgust2: :bap:

DarkMahesvara look through my other posts.

Halo no :cunny_chad:

Halo DarkMahesvara Immahnoob you can take it like a recommendation, or you can play like a tough guy with the IP play; or check it, and don't forget that twitter doesn't make any explanation if they ban, is just a thing you can check, to make the people aware of what are their limits.

Linkitin77 Halo Immahnoob or you can lurk more like everyone else and see for uself how we handle the rules. our benchmark is not and never will be twitter. if you act like a retard or break rules we will tell you

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara And it can't be clear. It's either you have no rules like /b/ (illegal stuff isn't allowed either btw) or you limit the conversations too much. In this case, we have a very general rule of "don't be an obnoxious retard", which is also very hard to break. The dude that got banned pretty much intended to be one, so if you don't intent to be an obnoxious retard, you're going to be fine.

Immahnoob DarkMahesvara a free action has its repercussions, your free to put your hand in fire, but it will burn.

Linkitin77 Halo DarkMahesvara Immahnoob I think you are overthinking it

hexagonalsheep93 DarkMahesvara Halo Immahnoob Yes I do, but think is not a sin

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara So in that case the fire is a ban, the same thing for being an obnoxious retard.

DarkMahesvara Immahnoob How judge is a bad thing?, if I don't like something I will talk with you guys, that's why you're a moderator, you can hear or not, but perfection is a tough path

Immahnoob DarkMahesvara but what is a retard?, someone that you disagree with or something serious, because you know what happened with the word Nazi, one of the most inhuman groups and with a national identity behind it, just became the bread of every day.

Linkitin77 Immahnoob m8 just lurk more we don't care if you are tranny, nazi, black or satan. just don't be obnoxious

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara I don't know man, is there a specific line where "spam" is "spam" objectively?

Immahnoob if you create a program it will be super clear when its spam, In your space, but they just lack from a good description, and that's my problem. It's not a big deal, but they are just like a kids ¨word¨, they can check and be clear in their TOS, is a chill place, but it's not like a death bar.

Linkitin77 Immahnoob you take TOS way too serously. if a admin want's to break them or change he can do it any time. that's why you should just see for yourself

Linkitin77 You don't seem to get the problem here, honestly. If you don't understand what a "minimum of decorum" is, then I also do not understand why we should listen to you in the first place. No one will get banned by that rule if they have a "minimum of decorum". It's pretty much basic human interaction to understand a group's culture, which is what a "minimum of decorum" is.

Immahnoob if you don't wanted to listen, why the reply?, why being in a social web if you don't want to listen?, you guys take it personally, I just dislike the TOS, I think it can improve and nothing more, is not like I'm going to make a move from everyone to make the staff rewrite the TOS in a different manner but with the same meaning

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net Well if you don't like it you can move instances. Or make your own. Not saying this in a rude way, but as an actual recommendation, there's a lot of Mastodon and Pleroma (and Misskey I guess) instances out there so you could probably find something you like, and if not you can make your own. I made my own instance because of that.

[email protected] "Hey if you dont like the drink you can get your ass out of here" Sorry i forgot that I can't disagree, and if there is something I dislike from the place I'm, I should just keep silence and never complain, how dumb of me. I not against the OTS, I just fucking hate the way they are write, nothing more, but dam, I forgot that I never had to share my thoughts if they aren't 100% positive and cute, even if they can make a better understanding for the TOS. But just a tiny question, if you go to a job interview and you said the that your super good except whe you not, what they will said to you? "Hey that's not a descriptive definition of yours abilities" "You can't understand what its good and not good? But you better have to contract someone else, because that's what I'm"

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net Are you fucking stupid? I never said you can't disagree. I said if you don't like the instance you can go find a better one, because the moderation team isn't going to change things to meet your special needs. So either put up with it, fuck off somewhere else, or make your own instance. Also stop being a fucking asshat.

Linkitin77 [email protected] don't be such a drama queen. "go somewhere else" is a valid recommendation in an decentralized network.

[email protected] Sorry men, I never thought that a recommendation, will be asearch for special treatment, hey but I'm dumb, i just I point what I found floppy, and that should never pass. I never threat them or calling them asshat, I just point how they TOS in the first part is floppy, and I ask why is the kink thing. I should leave a place just because they can write a decent TOS, I have friends in here and cunny, but I should leave because someone is lazy. I never thought that this site could remind me twitter, and Kpop stans

Linkitin77 [email protected] "but I should leave because someone is lazy." we already told you multiple times why we have the rules we have. "I never thought that this site could remind me twitter, and Kpop stans" comparing our rules to them is dishonest at best.

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net I gave you an honest recommendation and you replied like an asshat so I will call you an asshat. Don't like it? Try not being an asshat.

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net Also in case you don't know, you can go to another instance or make your own so that they have every single term in their services catered to your special needs, and still talk to people from varishangout.net or whatever other instance you want, because this is a decentralized, federated network where every instance talks to every other instance.

DarkMahesvara [email protected] I never compared your rules whit twitter in this thread(the [email protected] one, not the others), I compare the stand attitude. And don't get me wrong, they rules in a general manner are good, especially the list part, but I see floppy the first part. And I talking to [email protected] , so if I repeat something like the rules problems.is because of that, you have your rules; okey, keep them, because I never told you to change them, I just said I don't like how they look, but not what they are.

[email protected] "Wow if I don't like how the TOS is written I should leave"

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net Unironically yes. Welcome to society motherfucker.

[email protected] Retard

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net Methinks you're the retard here, giving you're sperging out over an instance's terms of service that you're not required to join.

Linkitin77 [email protected] if you keep acting like one you will soon find out what we meant with "don't be a retard or obnoxious" :noa_shock:

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara [email protected] Are you on the spectrum? I dont mean that as an insult I am just curious

DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 [email protected] aren't you making this too serious? TOS means nothing and thats the problem in general, you don't need tos to show that someone is being a hypocrite or something like that. Admins can break TOS whenever they want, that thing only make people feel "save" in the hands of someone who can do anything they want with you so... just look around and have a good time, halo isn't gonna ban you from be a retard, we're good.

Alt_Name Linkitin77 [email protected] yes we already had that discussion.... https://varishangout.net/notice/A5je3wzN4vJZ2iS48W

[email protected] "Wow becuse I don't like how the TOS is written I should leave" Fuck men, this is stupid, how many times I need to say I just don't like the TOS and nothing more? I just don't like it, I don't like summer, should I have to travel to the other pole just to avoid summer? No, I just don't like something, that doesn't make me in a hater or anything.

DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 [email protected] Sorry i'm special :asui_what:

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net Yes retard, people, or the climate in your retarded example, aren't going to cater to your special needs, who the fuck are you?

Alt_Name Linkitin77 [email protected] :ars_pat: i aware you are female :kyoko_smug:

DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 [email protected] It's an eternal disease :gura_pain:

Halo Alt_Name DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 [email protected] what the fuck is going on in here? So I got a message from minds out of all places about this place being "worse then twitter cuz they would threaten you with your IP I am confused and from reading this conversation" Linkitin77 Amigo I think this is just a big misunderstanding from your part like... ¿Qué pasa con los TOS aquí?

Alt_Name DarkMahesvara [email protected] ❤ Thanks good, you're good to btw 😳 I now that, but I just want to share, how they sound for me, you know, like in any other social media that we all hate the TOS, but in one time to another I was like the antichrist, I just point something I don't like in here, and nothing more, if they want to listen okey, if they not okey. But this thread really looks like if I have send a a final statement for the site, I just here for the cunny and some guys like dicey. Btw I haven't talked about hypocresi, XD, if I do that will make a larger thread

DiceySpikes pls link to the minds post

Linkitin77 [email protected] >"OH WOAH, THIS SHIT'S FUCKING STUPID, FUCK YOU GUYS" >No, you're stupid, fuck you instead, retard >"WHY ARE YOU BEING MEAN TO ME, I ONLY GAVE YOU SOME ADVICE, AAAAAAAA" Stop sperging already, you're making circles around an useless discussion.

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net @hexagonalsheep93@varishangout.net @DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net Don't worry about it, we already know the answer.

hexagonalsheep93 DarkMahesvara [email protected] spectrum?

Linkitin77 DarkMahesvara hexagonalsheep93 ¿Qué pasa con el TOS aquí? No entiendo por qué es un problema para usted?

[email protected] that's what I mean, idiot, I will not leave because something so stupid, and again, play dumb all what you want, I never said they are obligated to change the TOS, why is that so hard to understand, I don't like how it's written, and that's all, I will not send a massive load of user, to make something, I just dislike something and express it, you know, like what we all do in any other social media, why this just get relevance for nothing new?

DiceySpikes [email protected] DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 hexagonalsheep93 Your friend speaks Spanish?

DiceySpikes [email protected] Linkitin77 hexagonalsheep93 just read the thread and untag unrelated people pls :bap:

Halo DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 do you have brave rewards turned on?

DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 hexagonalsheep93 [email protected] Yes he does everyone here is calling him an idiot and I think he just doesn't understand what's going on here since he speaks English but not as well tho. So that's why I am talking to him in spanish.

smugumin Maybe? I think I did it, but never got around to linking a wallet, cause I don't use Gemini or Uphold

Alt_Name DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 hexagonalsheep93 [email protected] Yes he speaks Spanish more then english and I think this is a big misunderstanding.

@DiceySpikes@varishangout.net @DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net @Linkitin77@varishangout.net @hexagonalsheep93@varishangout.net No I'm calling him an idiot because I gave him genuinely advice and he replied like a massive retard. And I'm not the only person in this thread that he's done that to.

DiceySpikes Linkitin77 [email protected] Do you know them?

Immahnoob [email protected] sorry I will never going to criticize something, I forgot I can't. Wtf men, what's next a fucking mojack? It's an advice, lamebotas. Fuck, this theme is like saying I don't like Kpop.

DiceySpikes im still waiting for the minds link you mentioned https://varishangout.net/notice/A5jqK2XpOAj8MC0Uvw

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net @Immahnoob@varishangout.net Look, if you don't like it that much, literally fuck off somewhere else. Are you required to be here? Is Halo holding a gun to your head and forcing you to recite the TOS out loud several times a day like a Muslim prayer or something?

[email protected] DarkMahesvara Linkitin77 hexagonalsheep93 Advice? What advice you gave him 🧐 plus I know you wasn't the only one that's why you wasn't the only one that was pinged.

Linkitin77 [email protected] 🤔you're mentally retarded, my dude. You came in with a retarded attitude and was told that you are retarded, that's all.

@DiceySpikes@varishangout.net @DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net @Linkitin77@varishangout.net @hexagonalsheep93@varishangout.net https://pleroma.miria.love/notice/A5jk8dzmwaYpHf8A7s

DiceySpikes Linkitin77 Oooooooooooooooooooh, ok. Yo lo veo solo como un mal entendido, en realidad a nadie le importa su sugerencia. Los TOS no importan mucho y ellos se reservan el derecho a mandarte al diablo si eres extramolesto (o publicas algo ilegal pero eso todo el mundo lo sabe). Así que no te lo tomes a mal, la gente de aquí es cool y no van a banear a nadie por decir algo que no les gusta, no creo ni que les importe, pero en realidad un administrador puede romper cualquier TOS porque son solo palabras y no tienen ningun peso legal y lo de los kinks es una broma, yo nunca dije los mios y sigo aquí :love:

hexagonalsheep93 Linkitin77 [email protected] Yes I do he is my friend I met him awhile ago before I came here.

DiceySpikes [email protected] the advice to "go somewhere else where he likes the rules" again just read the thread :bap: https://varishangout.net/notice/A5jWvaG30b0iY2Jbo8

Immahnoob Linkitin77 [email protected] Dude. I think all of this was a big misunderstanding he speaks Spanish more than english and I think this was a classic situation of miscommunication.

Linkitin77 Immahnoob [email protected] podrias, quiza calmarte un poco trata de ponerte en nuestra posicion. eres un extrano no sabemos nada de ti y lo primero q haces es criticar los tos sin haber visto nada del sitio de antemano. entonces gente viene y trata de entenderte pero solo les insultas ahora entiendes porq todos te estan atacando?

DiceySpikes Alt_Name DarkMahesvara Halo [email protected] Hi dicey XD, Jajajajaja I never thought it will grow this hard, XD, at least we are famous. Nah you know like always, adminds being in a dumb fight becuse I can't say anything against the site, Jajajajaja just like redit or discord. It's a little sad that this thread only reminds me of twitter, and all that bullshit, you know, better keep the mouth close, and only open your mouth to agree, XD It could be worst and you know it, Latinos Don't know how to close their mouths. Here, cunny to not boring you

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net @DiceySpikes@varishangout.net @Alt_Name@varishangout.net @DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net @Halo@varishangout.net Literally go make your own fucking instance if admins don't let you say what you want and it's like Reddit or Discord. Also don't forget to take your daily meds. Also go fuck yourself.

Linkitin77 DiceySpikes Alt_Name DarkMahesvara [email protected] >adminds being in a dumb fight becuse I can't say anything against the site if that was the case Immahnoob and Nretsew would've been banned a while ago :heh:

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net @Alt_Name@varishangout.net @DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net @DiceySpikes@varishangout.net @Halo@varishangout.net I've never seen something like this before. You're acting like a massive asshole towards everyone here, and when people point this out to you, all you do is shift the blame towards us and act like an even bigger retard for some unknown reason.

Linkitin77 DiceySpikes DarkMahesvara Halo [email protected] Honey, no estas entendiendo que paso aquí... Es solo una mala comunicacion entre las personas en este hilo...

Halo Linkitin77 Alt_Name DarkMahesvara DiceySpikes Immahnoob [email protected] you cant Ban me I'm a good boy sure some times I call you a dumb fuck if I think you are being a dumb fuck. but I'm a good perv

@Haku@anime.website Some guy with special needs started sperging out for some reason. I just intended to give passing advice but then he started sperging at me too so...

@miria@pleroma.miria.love this is why I just think about calling them a retard and move on the second after. not worth the hassle

Halo oh try setting them up so i can give you €

Linkitin77 >adminds being in a dumb fight becuse I can't say anything against the site" if this was true, you would've been banned 5 - 10 posts ago there's nothing wrong with you having issues with the TOS, but the people here have also explained to you why the TOS was written as it is. then for the rest of this thread it's just a cycle of, "i still disagree with this", "i still disagree with that" >Latinos Don't know how to close their mouths. your race or ethnic was never the issue. nobody's here brought that up except yourself. don't try to do that shit here and finally nice armpit you posted there 👌

@Immahnoob@varishangout.net @Linkitin77@varishangout.net @DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net spamming is an action just like yelling in someones ear and turning them deaf

@Linkitin77@varishangout.net @miria@pleroma.miria.love if you want micromanagement via a ToS then i'd say you have bad intentions on a website in the first place, or you already don't trust the moderation, which in either case you are a bad fit in a community

[email protected] But is there anywhere in the philosophy of "free speech" or free speech "law" that you can't do that? Something "free speech" does not permit you? I don't think you understand the argument I'm making.

@Immahnoob@varishangout.net with free speech comes freedom of association. by spamming, youre forcing other people to hear your shit, robbing them of their ability to freely associate. quit being retarded, this has been discussed to death. anyone who defends spam as speech hasnt taken two seconds to understand the principle in the first place.

Halo Alt_Name DarkMahesvara DiceySpikes Immahnoob Nretsew [email protected] Okey we are dumb, and they obviously don't have any intention to misunderstand the message, and think that I have something against shizu. Sorry but this is just dumb, they don't want to hear, okey am right whit that, but start to play dumb and start a fight over nothing okey. I just have on problem whit you and I just talking to you, and not whit a willing to fight, but like the host you should never get in heat and send a IP threat,

Linkitin77 Halo Alt_Name DiceySpikes Immahnoob Nretsew [email protected] you can't speak or read english just stop with the discussions

Linkitin77 Alt_Name DarkMahesvara DiceySpikes Immahnoob Nretsew [email protected] >but like the host you should never get in heat and send a IP threat wasn't a threat. I said "if you don't trust me enough not to ban people, you shouldn't trust me with your IP". it's fairly straight forward. None of that was a threat.

Doma [email protected] sorry I forgot if the admin gang reply me, it's not batching, but if I do, is batching Don't be that dumb please, why this even a problem? Ah right becuse the admin gang start to reply

[email protected] >with free speech comes freedom of association. by spamming, youre forcing other people to hear your shit, robbing them of their ability to freely associate. There's no such clause though, and you can simply ignore it on sites, block or mute it as well, meaning rules against spam make no sense again. Stop making shit up basically, mongoloid. We accept that there are limitations to it, but trying to make it seem as if it fucking covers everything is even worse. "Muh perfect system", fuck off.

Nretsew Halo Alt_Name DarkMahesvara Immahnoob [email protected] this entire thread is fucking retarded I just spoke to him privately about what was going on and now I somewhat understand what he is talking about simply just didn't like how the first rule in the TOS was phrased to him since he wants to know what that meant exactly so he knows what's allowed and what wasn't. And he took the IP part of what Halo said as some sort of threat which I clarified with him it wasn't and it was just a point that he was making prior which now he understands that's what I said before this entire situation is a perfect case of miscommunication like I said in the beginning by the way I am muting this I am too busy to deal with this shit.

Halo Alt_Name DarkMahesvara DiceySpikes Immahnoob Nretsew [email protected] Nah, you know what it mean, sorry but this is just dumb creat the reality that can make you win, I will never thought that shizu could have such a toxic fandom, even how? The guy start with his head and no with his emotions, really how even being willing to talk about the site can be this fucking bad. Okey your site is perfect, it doesn't have a flaw in it, none, and you guys are like kings, no, better, heroes, hey you heard that, all what this site do, is just perfect, and the admins as welll

Linkitin77 Honey how old are you?