udon Mostly because of Minds, and then poast, shitting the bed about loli

KuroRose losing their shit over cunny or not truly is the greatest filter for anything, be it people or websites

udon makes me wanna try to lurk less :mokou_lying:

@udon@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @udon@varishangout.net most people don't care about loli, like 3 people decided to be massive fags for attention

sapphire@poa.st udon I mean, when one of those fags in an admin, shit has huge ripples

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @udon@varishangout.net nah, when you shit the bed so much that staff has to respond to your retarded drama, staff isn't the problem.

sapphire@poa.st udon Are you saying graf isn't staff :anime_think:

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @udon@varishangout.net are you actually reading what I'm saying?

@sapphire@poa.st @KuroRose@varishangout.net @udon@varishangout.net I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure graf said that they don't like loli, but they won't appose it being posted on poa.st

@puuyo@poa.st @KuroRose@varishangout.net @udon@varishangout.net multiple times here and in the matrix server, and someone took offense to the fact that maybe there'd be rules and decided to throw a pissy fit about it

puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st Didn't all of the shit that happened yesterday start from graf taking down a loli post because it didn't pass the dost test?

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st A guy from another instance tagged a loli/shota image as "underage sex" to troll someone and Graf decided to judge it as such because saying that might get the server in trouble, so he hid it from view on Poast.

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st pretty sure it all started because someone who was there for a lot of the conversation in the matrix server about refining the rules around loli decided to post untagged sexual content

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @sapphire@poa.st I think it was 3D cgi loli stuff that was posted, but I'm not sure so don't quote me on that. I'm not a fan of the 3d stuff too uncanny valley for me

puuyo@poa.st KuroRose sapphire@poa.st nah it was western shit lol. someone just commented "underage sex" which led to the :seething: >uncanny valley smh you mean uncunny valley?

@Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @sapphire@poa.st >uncunny valley 😭 >western yeah not a fan of western stuff either

Halo "Uncunny" valley, I'm stealing that

Halo puuyo@poa.st KuroRose sapphire@poa.st I want to go to the uncunny valley

puuyo@poa.st KuroRose sapphire@poa.st I don't like westernshit either, but still not something that should be deleted cause of a comment though lmao.

@Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @sapphire@poa.st Yeah I agree.

KuroRose udon puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st uncunny valley means its cunny but not quite right :zt_think:

@Halo@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @KuroRose@varishangout.net @sapphire@poa.st Japs draw better smolis anyway western stuff tries too hard at times to look photorealistic or CalArts-style cringe.

KuroRose udon Halo puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st so hell. What you are describing is hell.

KuroRose udon Halo puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st That's a place I don't wanna be if that's the case :hana_disgust2:

@RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz @Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st I don't understand how people like the calarts style enough to watch the cartoons, much less jerk off to them.

RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st Yeah the styles are really what gets me. Especially the fuckin noses :senko_disgust:

Halo RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st ITS ALWAY THE FUCKING NOSE :megu_scare:

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @Halo@varishangout.net @RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz @sapphire@poa.st

@Halo@varishangout.net @RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st Even the content has unusually dark themes I can only imagine actual chomos enjoying.

Halo RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st what is it with germans and their obsession for noses

Halo RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st :satania_disgust: it's so distracting

Halo I think western is pretty good as long as it is cartoony, or keep to a similar style:

@Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st Oh yeah, I have heard of Unteralterbach. If nothing else, it sounds hilarious.

@tengumatingpress@poa.st @Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st yeah, I've noticed that. Something about the western Tumblr types feels dark. Comes from different mindsets or somethin

Halo RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st tfw you have played that vn and enjoyed it :satania_cry:

tengumatingpress@poa.st Halo KuroRose RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st not really a lot of japanese loli can also be really dark or are you forgeting about the geiger counter

@hexagonalsheep93@varishangout.net @Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st All I'm saying is I see more normal shit that doesn't have a disturbing aura from the Japanese, virtually every western loli artists has a somewhat odd vibe.

@hexagonalsheep93@varishangout.net @tengumatingpress@poa.st @Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st I was just going on general stuff. what I more consistently see. Like, what you'd see on baraag fits a whole different feel on average than what you'd see on pawoo. For me at least

tengumatingpress@poa.st Halo KuroRose RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st I think its because of two things 1. loli in general is view as a bad thing here in the west so people are going if I am already this bad then another thing wont feel any worse. At least thats the logic I use 2. remember that some of the first western loli artists where real edgelords specially shadman so a lot of them are gonna either be inspired by it or try to emulate it. also I still contend that anime loli can be pretty dark

KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st wtf is the dost test? Ive heard of the 7 heads teast; a youtuber i use to uses it for determining what loli was too loli in his discord......but it was a very flawed test cuz by its standard even adult characters were labled to loli. Like princess peach of all shit. Later he outted himself as anti lolicon. He just didnt have the balls to say no loli from the start because it would have made him a hypocrite when he went on and on about freedom being importaint and no fiction should be censored or banned. He was a cunt. An started openibly ripping on lolicons. Tbh that doll fucker didnt have room to toss stones. He fucks a sex doll and thinks its alive and shoves stuff up his ass. He has no room to criticize other degens like he isnt one.

RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz Halo KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st tengumatingpress@poa.st I havent been on pawoo but to me is not really that bad imo I guess its just how I see it

Azur_Fenix KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st >He just didnt have the balls to say no loli from the start because it would have made him a hypocrite when he went on and on about freedom being importaint and no fiction should be censored or banned. many such cases!

@hexagonalsheep93@varishangout.net @Halo@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st @tengumatingpress@poa.st baraag is more of the western instance, pawoo is the Japanese.

RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz Halo KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st tengumatingpress@poa.st I know that

julian398a Halo oblongs right?

julian398a Halo yeah I dont think I have seen any super realistic tho apparently they were quite common in lolibooru. Then again I might just be a little more desensitized than some of you

Azur_Fenix Halo Glad someone knows where she's from

julian398a Halo i use to catch it nearly every week back in the adult swim days. Funny show. Man i miss the old days

Halo RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st from someone who likes western loli I feel and this is just my opinion that jap loli starts getting a little same ish after a while. while as you say western loli adapts different artstyles or at least is different enough. thats my opinion tho

hexagonalsheep93 Halo there was some bullshut 3d cgi shit in there that was awful an everyone hated, the absolute chad of an admin said that he would let the ones that were already posted stay but no more from that moment onwards, now it's all pure loli, I love it

Azur_Fenix Halo Was amzing, sadly I didn't grow up with it, been watching it recently

Halo KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st yup. Hes lost most of his audence and has gotten banned from just about everywhere. Telling to much truth about other stuff. When it came to loli he was a hypocritical puritanical pos. But other stuff he was correct on but because of him being a hypocrite he was destroyed by both sides.

hexagonalsheep93 Halo KuroRose RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st eh it can be a bit hit or miss at times but i get what you're saying than again i think hit or miss is something that defines really well western artstyles overall

rlier23 Halo KuroRose RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st lol I guess

julian398a Halo aqua teen hunger force too. Boondocks was good. Squidbillies was good but its a bit of an aquired taste.

@Halo@varishangout.net @Azur_Fenix@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st Loli is incredibly powerful. It is one of the easiest way to expose people who falsely claim to care about free speech.

Halo RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st Unteralterbach is godlike though, the art style's good.

miria@pleroma.miria.love Azur_Fenix KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st it's been said over and over again and never ceases to be true.

julian398a hexagonalsheep93 Halo ive seen the 3D ones your talking about. Way too close to 3D imo.

miria@pleroma.miria.love Halo Azur_Fenix KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st i think someone i met in minds of al places defined loli as the "canary in the coalmine"

Azur_Fenix julian398a Halo I dont mind if they are from a game or done in a cartoony way and yes you can make 3d in a cartoony way but when its custom shit it starts raising alot of uncomfortable questions

Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 ikr? is not even stylized it just tries to look like real stuff and that's just no good

Halo miria@pleroma.miria.love Azur_Fenix KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st the worst part is that 8kunt was based on california, one of the few states where lolis are 100% legal, that was a shitfest

@s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks @Halo@varishangout.net @Azur_Fenix@varishangout.net @KuroRose@varishangout.net @puuyo@poa.st @sapphire@poa.st what

rlier23 miria@pleroma.miria.love Azur_Fenix Halo KuroRose puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st The whole "loli" being the "canary in the coalmine" has been used for years now.

Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo KuroRose miria@pleroma.miria.love puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st yeah probably, but that was the first time i heard it

Immahnoob Halo KuroRose RehnSturm256@neckbeard.xyz puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st ikr apparently the artist has dissapeared from the face of the earth considering he is german I hope he did not get in trouble

Shizu Halo Azur_Fenix KuroRose miria@pleroma.miria.love puuyo@poa.st sapphire@poa.st wait really? I guess a broken clock is right twice as they say

hexagonalsheep93 Halo julian398a i mean i dont agree with. No sir but its still fiction so even if i personally disagree with it i think it should be allowed. Now if its based off real life or some shit or is modeled after a real kid yah...ban that shit. Ban it then torch it with fire and launch it into the sun.

Azur_Fenix Halo julian398a of course thet one even extends to 2d

Azur_Fenix julian398a Halo hexagonalsheep93 The 3D stuff is simply fucking ugly. That Daz3D shit gets on my nerves whenever I see it. The only artist I look at for 3D stuff is Lvl3toaster, otherwise I haven't really seen good 3D art, not anime or otherwise.

Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 what about mantis-x?

Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo julian398a how about 4link or whatever he is called all the stuff he does is from cartoony games

Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 julian398a I thought 3Dimm was alright but yeah, 3D fucking kills it for me

hexagonalsheep93 yeah that too, has some decent hat loli stuff

julian398a Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 I wouldn't mind if every one of his models looked like more than color swaps of other ones. There's no character to them. Everything moves like jello, but I don't hate on it or anything. I've enjoyed some of them before. 2D allows me to imagine the motion I guess and it more easily depicts expressions.

Vajra Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 julian398a Only good 3d are some artists on iwara

KuroRose Vajra Azur_Fenix Halo Immahnoob julian398a iwara?

hexagonalsheep93 Azur_Fenix Halo Immahnoob Vajra julian398a http://ecchi.iwara.tv/

limpandazure I guess I get it to a point, tho Rory's model is always a standout, and the new abby one is looking good too, my biggest complain is that besides some scenes it's a bit too repetitive, like the animations are going in a circle, a little more variety and I'm sold Fuck that face

julian398a Don't really like him, honestly. But then again, I don't really like "Illusion" models, customized or otherwise.

Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 julian398a DAZ3D is genuinely one of the most disturbing platforms I've ever seen. Everything that comes out of it looks horrendous. And then there's this fucker.

julian398a Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 his stuff is hit and miss it's either really good or bland.

Kallian what theee fuck

Azur_Fenix im gonna play devil's advocate here remember when that one celebrity who took a picture of herself with the fake bloody severed head of Donald Trump? yeah it was kind of a scandal, she got a lot of negative press, she claims the Secret Service even investigated her, but at the end of the day, it was still free speech. It wasn't even a cartoon or anything, she straight up had a physical prop severed head styled to look like Trump. So let's suppose that someone made a really realistic 3DCG blender of Kathy Griffin being raped. Is that actual rape? An actual crime? A threat? Or howabout a prop severed head styled to look like Kathy? As disgusting as photorealistic 3DCG lolis may be, especially if they're modeled after a real person, for the sake of free speech, you have to allow it. This instance specifically says "don't break US law," and while the issue seems pretty settled on 2d, I'd like to see court arguments about realistic 3DCG.

KuroRose Vajra Halo Immahnoob hexagonalsheep93 julian398a yosino does good 3D loli. Admitedly his older work is very beastiality heavy. But his more recent stuff isnt. His on a loli x grandpa bing now. Full 3D animations of mins in length with sound. Good quality.

Kallian Immahnoob Azur_Fenix Halo julian398a certainly gives off a robot-y vibe

Azur_Fenix KuroRose Halo Immahnoob Vajra julian398a now thats a name I havent heard in ages

hexagonalsheep93 Azur_Fenix Halo Immahnoob julian398a Go look up something like Being a DIK. It's on Steam. You'll see what I mean by disturbing.

Kallian Azur_Fenix Halo Immahnoob julian398a mmm i see yeah uncanny indeed very mannequinn like

PunishedLenny3 Azur_Fenix yeah it's still free speech, is just that loli. brings images of heavily stylized cartoons whether western or eastern, not trying to look hyper realistic, maybe a different page for that, seems to be different enough to warrant it

Kallian Azur_Fenix Halo hexagonalsheep93 julian398a That first smirk looked horrible. It reminded me of Sara Ryder. The rest of the animation was good.

PunishedLenny3 Azur_Fenix The law is pretty concrete with things that are "photo realistic" or based on a real person. But this is about loli and making a Kathy Griffin rape pmv is probably legal

KuroRose PunishedLenny3 idk. Remeber the "beat up Anita sarkeesan" flash game? I think its creatore was sued for that?

PunishedLenny3 Azur_Fenix ok so in the kathy griffith case I think there would be zero problem not only is she an adult she is also a public figure I believe once you put yourself out there you have to be willing to take as much as you dish. now the realistic 3d lolis I guess its the uncertainty that is my main problem. why did someone do this if its not a real person then I guess its not wrong but i certainly raises a lot of questions. and for the real girl then it raises a lot more questions is that person attracted to that girl? are they making some sort sick joke? they would have to make it very clear they intend no harm

hexagonalsheep93 Halo Immahnoob KuroRose Vajra julian398a yup i did some crazy shit to get his stuff back in the day. Wasnt easy. You had to go digging though jp sites to find it.

Azur_Fenix hexagonalsheep93 Halo KuroRose Vajra julian398a Funny you say that because he releases on DLSite. :zt_think:

Immahnoob Halo KuroRose Vajra hexagonalsheep93 julian398a im talking way back. Like pre 2010 and stuff

KuroRose well then even though i know it would never happen, that law needs to be amended to include photorealistic under protected speech, because once again, to use the violence argument: you have huge popular tv shows and movies with realistic (obviously theyre live-action) depictions of murder and what not; theres this one scene in law and order (i saw it on twitter the other day) where a cop shoots a kid for being too smug ; so why is photorealistic violence acceptable, even when it involves kids

KuroRose PunishedLenny3 Azur_Fenix I think so too I dont know enough about us law though. It would definetly be illegal where I am

PunishedLenny3 Azur_Fenix I'd say when you model it from a real child or make deep fake CP that's when you cross the line. Because they shouldn't have to deal with that crap. Keep it in fantasy land boy's.

Azur_Fenix KuroRose PunishedLenny3 you can sue for everything in the us as long as you have a good enough lawyer you can sue a person for looking at you wierd

Gronsak PunishedLenny3 Azur_Fenix honestly thats my limit too

PunishedLenny3 For photo realism, there is no real way to determine if you didn't model it after a real person, or if it is even computer generated at all. And with portrayals of real children, at that point you're jacking it to a *real* child's likeness and puts the child in danger Portrayals of violence are okay because you don't actually have to hurt or abuse the child to make it

@KuroRose@varishangout.net @udon@varishangout.net It's also due to the fact that varishangout was, for quite a while, unfederated, and people in it could only talk with each other and no other nodes.

KuroRose >Portrayals of violence are okay because you don’t actually have to hurt or abuse the child to make it but thats the same argument antis use for 2d lolis. you could just as easily say that with violent portrayals of real people (even if theres a disclaimer like "all names and locations are fictional any resemblance is coincidence etc etc") youre harming a real person's likeness and puts the person in danger >For photo realism, there is no real way to determine if you didn’t model it after a real person So lets say I get one of those 3d render programs, and produce a very realistic image of a person with a bullet hole in their head, gory details and blood and all; how do you know its not modeled after a real corpse, and thus a real murder? thousands of unsolved murder cases happen every day, thousands of unsolved disappearances, this 3DCG image could pertain to any of them portrayal of something in fiction doesn't require that thing to have actually have happened; you can create something extreme, for example lets say, a man getting assfucked by a horse, without actually seen that irl, or forcing someone to do it; if photorealistic imagery cannot be allowed because it's "based" on real people and thus could harm them, why can't that be extended to everything else? in fact, isn't that one of the left's major arguments? that negative representations of ppl in media cause real life harm? i know this makes people very uncomfortable, but especially now in the new era of deepfakes and VR, we're gonna have to question ourselves about this

PunishedLenny3 >but thats the same argument antis use for 2d lolis Wtf no its not, neither lolicon nor violent portrayals of children require you to hurt or abuse real children I'm just going to let you have the rest because it is an extremely morally grey area and I don't feel like using my brain that much right now

KuroRose >neither lolicon nor violent portrayals of children require you to hurt or abuse real children right, and neither does third-dimensional computer-generated graphics

PunishedLenny3 KuroRose If it's not real, it's not a "morally gray area", there's nothing "morally wrong" with a drawing/model of a loli, end of.

PunishedLenny3 KuroRose What about tracing actual child porn with 3D models? The 3D models made specifically to be realistic?

Immahnoob PunishedLenny3 KuroRose oh yeah that was on a documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCj1zNpKoM 11:34