Because of my current social circles, I keep getting invited to go be a freemason. I know these people and their organization better than most people here. I wish to point out three things, and draw a possible conclusion from them: 1) Freemasonry as an organization is currently very dominated by extremely old people. In my current location, there are more young people (read: under 60) at the local Thelemic ritual for drinking menstrual blood than at the Freemason's meetings. It is an organization that is literally dying. The repeated - yet soft - insistence from my friends that I should seriously consider Freemasonry leads me to believe that it's an organization that is desperate for new blood. 2) Freemasonry is philosemitic. It is a claim that Hitler made - perhaps without evidence - and it is one that I am backing up having talked to them. When you begin talking to them, they are very proud of how much they love jews. 3) Antisemitism is very strongly on the rise today. I wish to suggest that the rise of antisemitism today might be partly due to the decline of Freemasonry. Freemasonry having been the default "thing for men to do and hang out with no women" in the late 1900s may have contributed strongly to the rise of jewish power in the US, and I suspect the fall of Freemasonry has enabled men to shake free of this.
There are things online that may corroborate this. I wish to say that this conclusion is one that I would draw from directly talking to people - which is a stronger source than "I read it on the internets."
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Its basically just secular kaballah
@Xenophon@nicecrew.digital It's not secular! One of the big rules of Freemasonry is that you have to believe in a "Great Architect of the Universe." You're not even allowed in unless you have some sort of faith.
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Maybe not the best word, butci meant in regards to the kaballah aspect. Its like kaballah for goyim.
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Nah, antisemitism is on the rise because jews can't stop acting like jews.
@Xenophon@nicecrew.digital Yeah, this is more correct. There's a lot of "Kabbalah for goys" out there. Golden Dawn's system, Crowley's system, a lot of Gnostic practices...more than is entirely reasonable. The Zohar is a massively complex pile of texts, and it's very tempting for people who are inclined to study rather than experience.
@MadrePappagallo@nicecrew.digital This kind of answer demands the question: "why did anyone ever like them, and what changed to make it possible to hate them again?" Which is sort of the point of my post.
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Because people view them as the eternal victims after the holocaust lies. However, I don't think people in general like them, they're just brainwashed to feel pity for them. And what changed? The internet for one, more exposure to the truth and what jews are really up to. That's what "The Noticing" is all about, and jews exposing themselves, adding more fuel to the fire because they just can't help themselves. Look at history and the thousands of times they have been expelled over the same degenerate shit and child sacrifice.
@MadrePappagallo@nicecrew.digital The more I actually go outside and talk to people, the more I'm skeptical of much of that. How did the lies about the holocaust become popularized? The rise of jewry did not *begin* in the 1940s - how did they convince Europe to go to war for them if it had? Jewry had its fangs out already when Huey Long was assassinated, and based on the rituals I'm familiar with from Freemasonry I can tell that this particular knife was in their toolbox before the 1900s. Sympathy for them existed far before then. I do agree that the internet helps expose the jew, but there are quite a few people here - myself included - who only grew to hate them because of their personal lived experiences. Until I actually met one, I thought these things were jokes, and I dismissed them as such. The answer you gave seems wrong because it assumes everyone is as terminally online as you. They aren't. My explanation is that the natural reaction to interacting with a jew is to hate them, and only institutional control and propaganda can halt this. Freemasonry is an institution that they control, and the fact that it's falling is a partial explanation for why it's easier to openly hate jews. It is not the *only* such institution, but it is a lot easier to say that you hate a group when you're not surrounded by 30 guys who are forced to say they love that group.
@MadrePappagallo@nicecrew.digital tl;dr: 1) as much as we can point to the holohoax, it isn't actually why people suck jew dick - there's other reasons, I gave one. 2) as much as we hate jews online, it's easier to hate them if you know them irl.
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>The answer you gave seems wrong because it assumes everyone is as terminally online as you. They aren't. Yes I am retarded, thanks for noticing. Anyway, I was speaking from an online perspective, but people who aren't online are still brainwashed by jewish media, there is no denying this. But these people are usually older, aka boomers, who were the first generation to be indoctrinated by Holocaust propaganda. It's the younger generations who have turned against them, because they're the ones most likely to come across the red pills online. But as I mentioned jews have exposed themselves by attaching their names to all their bullshit. All the anti White propaganda, the NGO groups working to flood former White nations with browns. There's a lot of in-your-face shit jews do because they have become that brazen. There are people who are saying it's not all jews, because they know some personally who "seem" normal in their mind's eye. Antisemitism is rising, but it's not at a level to make much of a change yet. But people both online and offline are starting to see how much power jews/Israel do have, because they are flaunting this power at every opportunity they get, while planning to make noticing them a crime, with Trump at the helm. Those of us who do notice and name them are still surrounded by NPCs who don't know shit, or are willfully ignorant of the facts staring them in the face. The only recent events to make your normies notice shit have been Gaza and the jew tunnels. The tunnels have been memory holed but it got people asking questions. Gaza has caused liberal golems to turn against jews, so now jews are riding the MAGA wagon, hoping Trump and his supporters will protect them from us meanie antisemites.
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@MadrePappagallo@nicecrew.digital >Yes I am retarded, thanks for noticing. I probably should've said that more kindly, given that we're at least on the same side of things. Sorry for taking a needless swipe at you. You are right that people who are stuck online are going to think the same way you do, and to some degree that's what's happening - I just think the effect is minor compared to other shifts. >There are people who are saying it's not all jews, because they know some personally who "seem" normal in their mind's eye. I know that there's a few people here who say this, but I genuinely don't understand them. I've met upwards of 30 or so and honestly the best of them was...just sort of almost OK? Like the very best is someone I can imagine cutting out of my life easily without feeling sad, and most of them are simply atrocious. >Antisemitism is rising, but it's not at a level to make much of a change yet. I gotta disagree. I have had at least a few instances where I could openly chastise a jew for their poor behavior, and they weren't immune from criticism despite their jewishness. For the worst of them, they can't escape criticism, and that's a huge change from 15 years ago where they were simply beyond criticism even if they were pedophiles.
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com You seem able enough to navigate this stuff. If I surrounded myself with philosemetic Freemasons I would end up even more confused and alone, listening to so much nonsense and trying to make sense of it. From what I've seen occultists fetishise Jews and Hindus. If we are to judge Hinduism by its people, which we must if we are to hold religions as significant, it must be judged as unhealthy. To fail to see this is bad even if you don't claim any special higher vision. Either occultists know what they are talking about, or they have failed at what they claim to be. I've liked hearing about what you have to say so far. You seem to be reporting it pretty objectively.
@naneko@varishangout.net >From what I've seen occultists fetishise Jews and Hindus. My current view is that this is largely because of Blavatsky/Theosophy (for Hindus) and the Golden Dawn/Crowley/Fortune Dion (for jews). I've said elsewhere that the Zohar (the big book series which explains Kabbalah) is lengthy and complex. That's catnip for book nerds, and occultists do love books. Tarot cards are also based on them, and due to the fact that they work you get a lot of Tarot readers learning about it (I suspect that Tarot works for some other reason and that other Oracle decks work for the same reason, but I haven't identified it). Buddhism is popular because of Yoga. Yoga is kind of the opposite - it's spiritual catnip for people who hate books. You engage in a physical activity which is supposed to stimulate your spirit in some way. >I would end up even more confused and alone, listening to so much nonsense and trying to make sense of it. If you take an interest in this stuff, you must ask at each junction: "How do I apply this? How can I go out and learn that this is true without having you tell me?" You must maintain skepticism, and the issue with Kabbalistic systems is that the level of study required to begin to try to apply it is extreme, and one must eventually conclude that they must be nonsense... >I've liked hearing about what you have to say so far. You seem to be reporting it pretty objectively.
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@naneko@varishangout.net I'll elaborate a bit, distilling the above so that it's easy to understand historically: Blavatsky/Theosophists popularized Hindu/Buddhism largely because of Yoga. Blavatsky did herself write some big fucking books, but people read them and went "uh yeah let's go take this huge pile of shit and ignore it because it's hard, let's do Yoga now." Golden Dawn read the Zohar and made it even more complex somehow so they could make the ultimate catnip for book nerds. Crowley added a huge pile of FUCKING EDGE and now it's the edgy thing for edgy booknerds to do, and Dion Fortune was like "nah let's not edge" and then it also became the bland thing for bland booknerds to do. Then the bland booknerds and the edgy booknerds started hating each other and there's this huge pile of infighting which is why all of the protective spells get bought at all of the witch markets forever.
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com @MadrePappagallo@nicecrew.digital If Adam Green of "Know More News" is correct, then antisemitism is being pushed to fulfill prophecy and justify a crackdown of any opposition to jews. He believes accusing jews of killing Jesus and worshiping Satan especially are this, rather than accusing them of trying to enslave the world. Also that jews do not want others to become jews, but do want them worshiping the jewish god and believing that all our spirituality and everything good comes from jews. This could explain the rise of philosemitism, and more recently the rise of anitsemitism. I don't recommend looking up his stuff if you don't feel up to dealing with some frightening possibilities. I left the very bad stuff out that he is saying.
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com What you are saying sounds like my impression might be correct. That most occultists are learning through reading and getting lost in narratives. If there is truth, it should be perceptible or demonstrable. A maze of narratives and counter narratives evidences a lack of truth. Direct perceptions and seeing the world unburdened by the knowledge we think we have is important, or that supposed knowledge will blind us to what is in front of us. Once we have an explanation, the overwhelming inclination is to lean on it. Thus, reading can be counterproductive. I do think reading has its place, but some people read too much and think too little.