Vaccines buy in large were one of the last normie beliefs I was holding onto (COVID "vax" aside obviously) but after seeing how aggressively shitlibs are spiraling after RFK mentioned he was looking into the causes of Autism, with most defaulting to "he's going to take away vaccines" with a snake like hiss in their voices, that belief is changing. I'd say I'm a few years away from having kids and the like but when I do I don't know what I'm going to do about the vaccine question when it comes up. Generally anything Elizabeth Warren or Chuck Schumer supports is the exact opposite of what you should do to stay sane and healthy.

As a guy with kids who is probably in a similar headspace to you on this, here's my qrd of what to look at: >efficacy rates - full sheet docs suggest a lot of the vaccines are 💩. Influenza is the easiest to find this on but others are surprisingly bad. >bacterial vaccines (e.g. tetanus) —these work well and are high efficacy in children and adults >incentives — kickback for vaccination rates especially for newer vaccines with questionable harmful effects (gardasil) >livestock — we use combination vaccines for humans but not animals. If you can find info from pre-COVID era it talks of harm to animals. >Antibodies injections over vaccination — things like RSV have antibody injections that give a few months of coverage when baby is most vulnerable. These are good.

All vaccines are a scam. Don‘y overthink it. One day people will talk about them the same way we talk about lobotomies . remember that the inventor of the lobotomy won the Nobel Prize.

Perhaps. I have anecdotal evidence and scientific reasoning (I know...) to support specific ones, like pneumococcal.

@BowsacNoodle@poa.st @Zardoz@gigaohm.bio @Shadowman311@poa.st And these people have no explanation worth anything about how smallpox and rinderpest (measles was a zoonotic jump from it ~500-1500 AD) ___were wiped off the face of the earth.___ Smallpox used to kill ___30%___ _of populations already culled by the first wave(s)_. In a way, I'm glad I'm old, because my parents members of the early Silent Generation. They know in their bones all sorts of harsh realities from pre-antibiotic infections, and my father's life was saved with first generation, an injection in the butt every four hours penicillin. Ditto a cultural Boomer friend who's mother was completely freaked out because rheumatic fever had been a death sentence (actually, I think she might have gotten a next generation form, but they did dose her up to the gills). As well as the realities of hard times, the Great Depression and WWII. Not _quite_ obsessed with food, but it is very very important to them, and reading between the lines while they grew up on farms, they must have had malnourished peers. Per the USDA that was a quarter of the population before WWII, when the draft confirmed their estimates.

Small pox was pretty much not a thing anymore long before the ”vaccine“ came out, eliminated by improved sanitation. Eyewitnesses To the revolution in water and sewage sanitation predicted that snake-oil salesmen would claim the victory was due to the “vaccine” We have been lied to. All of us. Your parents, you, and everyone since have been conned into injecting our precious newborns.

@Zardoz@gigaohm.bio @BowsacNoodle@poa.st @Shadowman311@poa.st "Small pox was pretty much not a thing anymore long before the 'vaccine' came out...." You are so completely ignorant and determined to miss the point it's breathtaking. The "vaccine" started as a 1796 thing! It killed hundreds of millions of people in the 20th Century, and I was required to get a booster before one trip outside the US in the early 1970s. And it's ___gone.___ That's not "pretty much not a thing," that's _"not a thing at all!"_ And you're completely ignoring the rinderpest animal disease. Where the indeed very significant, greatest _in the First World_ (and maybe Second? (Communists)) gains in mortality rates were made from potable water and sanitary sewers or the like, and real public health, is not relevant. That you didn't even check it out tells us your a tribal NPC parroting what you've been told. You're no better than the other side's extremes.

i interpret your ad hominem attack as anger. The anger you feel at having your core programming challenged is understandable. You got what, 4 vaccines? What do you think about the 72 injections in the American vaccine schedule? Do you see this as the same?

>your core programming challenged Do you get your knowledge from bitchute?

My apologies, that was uncalled for. My mind isn't made up on most things of this topic, honestly. And I think I've been clear of my general skepticism of the current vaccine schedule and most vaccinations in general. While there are a lot of questionable things around viral vaccination efficacy, it is possible that some of these have worked. We had the original smallpox partial inoculation attempt going back to the 1700s with cow pox infections, for example.

Apologies gladly accepted! It sounds like you have put in some work into challenging the status quo thinking, which is always encouraging to me. i Think to evaluate effectiveness one must also evaluate safety to determine whether harm has occurred. They cannot be separated. When I tried to evaluate this for myself I found a profound intellectual mess of shifting definitions, poor continuity, shitty science, & corruption. I will address the pneumonia vax in that post. 🙂

@Zardoz@gigaohm.bio @BowsacNoodle@poa.st @Shadowman311@poa.st I'm indeed angry, because you're a fundamentally dishonest interlocutor and representative of the potentially terminal decline of the mind in the Right, which I'd like to be part of. See for example how you move the goal posts from "4 _vaccines_" to "72 _injections_." And you continue to ignore rhinderpest, again a disease ___wiped off the face of the earth.___ But you did make me curious, I would have had a minimum of childhood nine vaccines, and thirteen inoculations as a child, not counting the third smallpox booster for travel. Perhaps ten of the former if I got both types of polio vaccines, the inoculation count depends on how they were formulated back then, I checked MMR and measles and mumps. On the other hand, I wouldn't have gotten vaccinations for either as a baby because of when they were licenced in the US. TL;DR: If you have to lie to make your case, you don't have a case.

>to evaluate effectiveness one must also evaluate safety to determine whether harm has occurred. They cannot be separated. Probably the biggest point that can't really be addressed by the diehard pro-vax crowd, IMO. No control group is possible once mass vaccination occurs. Sometimes the potential risks appear to be worth it, and the challenges inherently present to the calculus do actually affect everyone. Polio vaccine is a good example of this, because it did cause shedding of live polio, a waterborne virus, for something like 6-8 weeks. An uninfected area could suddenly have a vaccination campaign start and result in infected (paralyzed) adults who simply objected or weren't reached in time. Perhaps when we had more social cohesion this was less of an issue, but I also wouldn't blame anyone who resisted a modern vaccine (I refused COVID despite severe employer pressure).

I don't see the 4 vs 72 question as a goalpost shift; he may have been simply asking your thoughts on the current schedule (if you agree with it or think it's too heavy handed). I know this is a loaded topic but it's better to be more chill, which I say after already doing the same type of overreact earlier.

Indeed. The intentionally ignored control group is the kryptonite to the entire scam. If the science of vaccines was so clear, wouldn't the control group studies be waved in my face? That would down the anti-vax movement in 2 seconds. Polio is a mess when you look at the history. "Dissolving Illusions" covers this history extensively. Even the google will tell you all polio for the last decade has been caused by the vax. The writing is on the wall.

In theory, polio is one we could just stop and instead give babies a live virus and just let them have the scoots for a few days once they're like 2. Probably just not worth it though. They can't eliminate it from water (completely at ground/reservoir level) and they can't not give the vax if it exists in water...

@BowsacNoodle@poa.st @Zardoz@gigaohm.bio @Shadowman311@poa.st The poliovirus, having a hard crunchy protein shell on the outside instead of being an enveloped virus (outside is fragile cell membrane stolen from the host cell, with proteins sticking out), _does_ survive in water for extended periods of time, per a Brave AI search 75 or more, but declining rapidly by the end of that period. So not forever, water is kinda hostile in various ways (extremely hostile if it's totally pure, will grab atoms from most anything it's stored in, this is a real problem for certain scientists). And drinking water is treated with chlorine or chlorine compounds, which keep killing all the way to the faucet, important for suppressing cholera. While the story was suppressed or is strongly denied for the obvious reasons, the Greens convinced Peru to stop chlorinating the water in Lima (the Greens actually want to completely outlaw that vital atom (really)), and that gave them a cholera epidemic in 1991.... Bacteria vs. virus, but chlorine is mighty effective. Still need to add UV to get _Giardia_ which is a protozoa and thus much more sophisticated than a bacteria. So I submit that if we don't see any polio cases for a decade in the whole world, we'll be able to stop vaccination like we did for smallpox and rinderpest. If we can fucking do the latter even in Darkest Africa, which has a zillion alleles (genes) for lactose tolerance vs. one for the rest of the world.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderpest

>The poliovirus, having a hard crunchy protein shell on the outside instead of being an enveloped virus melts in your mouth, not in your hand :). Curious, does polio have any animal reservoirs or is it just humans?