@josh@kiwifarms.cc Again, I'm way late on this but I'd like to just explain that I and others who often buffet your arguments about China aren't saying China is a "paper tiger" or not a threat to America. I was clarifying that Beijing propaganda is not to be trusted. China's success and threat is not because of China, it's the rest of the world letting China play on Easy Mode because Wallstreet types and moguls and governments keep whoring for that sweet billion customer count. Case in point: China & Iran Deal Iran knows deals with China turn sour but it's desperate to get some leverage for nuclear.
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@EyelessMC@kiwifarms.cc @josh@kiwifarms.cc So I saw the previous thread but I want to know why you bring up China or Iran. Professionally speaking the United States DoD is not prepared to fight near-peer advisories. The amount of moral, knowledge, and professional decay would easily drop our technical advantages to be nearly meaningless in light of Russian or Chinese military reforms & growth respectively. Fighting Iranian defensive postures also strikes me as a bridge too far for US military planers and door kickers. But beyond the physical what strategic threat do China or Iran offer the United States? Beyond that what does that even matter if they do present a threat? Global Homo is pretty terrible. I'm not exactly chomping at the bit to fight on behalf of jews, banks, and woke cooperate interests.
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@n8@poa.st @josh@kiwifarms.cc It's as I said, the reason China is a threat and can make deals which undermine the USA is because they are playing on easy mode. USA has indeed declined and still declines all while toeing the line in many economic factors for China's sake. The DNC shills for China hard and the RNC didn't exactly do a whole lot to prepare for jack even if they wanted to. Countries know China doesn't make good on "Belt and Road" initiative deals or whatever but they keep going back to them. America, European powers, etc. know China keeps stealing info and tech to resell back to them. I mean hell, what other country can get away with causing a global pandemic or committing genocide in broad daylight? China isn't a mastermind. Everyone else is just retarded. That's why the talking points about how much better they are doing socially, economically, etc. are lies but also why they are a legitimate threat.
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China is a threat and can make deals which undermine the USA Right, but so can most nations. We may be the world police, and everything is jewed up on the money front but nations are free to do as they please to a certain degree regardless. If they begin acting up they usually experience a color revolution of one variety or another. China has room to move that Libya did not. What of it? That's natural given it's size and civic structure. It may be 'more' threatening than Ukraine but were talking about potential force here. Nothing more than background radiation if you catch my meaning.
I mean hell, what other country can get away with causing a global pandemic or committing genocide in broad daylight? Israel, and all European countries. The jews persecute and kill Palestinians and the governments of ethnic European countries now comit geocide against Whites.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf
China isn't a mastermind. Everyone else is just retarded. We agree here.
but also why they are a legitimate threat. Just not on this. I'm not seeing any data to support your analysis.
N. Korea If you want a deep dive on why nuclear confrontation, or any other kind, is not ever going to happen in this part of the world I'd actually enjoy explaining that but it doesn't seem too topical for this thread.
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@n8@poa.st No dude please explain it. I'll admit my ignorance there and would like to move on ultimately. I just keep getting pulled back into the tism vortex My tism and their tism is too strong But please go on
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@EyelessMC@kiwifarms.cc So of the many absolutes we can be sure of in this part of the world is that the NK government is self interested and is prepared to do anything to stay in power and thereby safe. We can expect that if using chemicals weapons will keep them from an angry mob of pitchforks then those weapons will be employed. If feeding people just enough to keep them from being starving revolutionaries but not fed well enough to be reading and thinking citizens then it will be done. As it turns out this is much easier to do on the international stage than with the first option. Further, one can surmise from the nuclear weapons and adjacent programs that the goal of said programs is to support the state's sovereignty. We can imagine how poorly life would change for the general staff and the high echelons of NK government if it went to war and lost. Ptichforks or UN trial. Neither are good from their point of view. The nature of the nuclear weapons themselves tells us a couple key points in NK military strategy. The first is that they chose to funnel a majority of their funds (early in the dev cycle) into whats known as theater based weaponry. Commonly called 'tactical' nuclear weapons by media. These weapons are smaller and more expensive to develop, produce, maintain, and deploy than their "strategic" counterparts. Rather than save the money to make a bigger or better fed infantry, equipped armored corps, or trained fires batteries the NK military chose instead of the path of least resistance (build big bomb, make simple parts, use lumbering big plane for delivery) they chose instead to build V8 sized weapons, AND mobile launch platforms WITH guidance systems, all while servicing a type weapon type the US military has phased out of it's order of battle decades ago. The other clue we can extrapolate much from is the placement of the nuclear forces in NK. These shorter range systems are never placed on the border. That would be risky for NK but they have better spots in mind. The moment the ROK and US armies blast over the DMZ the Norks know they are not going to be able to last against the better fed, equipped, and trained soldiers. Thus the tactical withdrawals will be covered by whatever ARTY and CAS is available, and in the worst parts of the line of retreat will be where the tactical nukes go. What better way to deny a corridor of advance then by irradiating it to hell? Do it more than once of course. Imagine the 8th army pushing to Poyang through a paved road as they chase a rearguard of enemy mechanized infantry. The Norks detonate a 500t nuke at Phyongsan just before you get there as just as they leave. The bomb has a very weak blast but still dirty af. 8th army will have no choice but to double back on the official roads, or take a risk and flank west or east though mountains and marshy rice fields or risk using the highway. Or punch through the cloud. Ultimately the planers in NK know not a single US senator will sign off on brining irradiated American caskets home for Christmas and thus the threat of nuclear exchange is a deterrent against invasion. TLDR: War in the Korean peninsula is never going to happen because the calculus says its not worth the win.
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