I swear to God I fucking hate Discord with all of the passion in my god damn heart.

I can't even get away from it with some amount of confidence: - SMS isn't an option -- the Chinese are inside the grid - XMPP is extremely unfriendly to new users - Matrix is a mixed bag, official implementation is the Google Chrome of the Matrix world - IRC is too dated, it has none of the modern features Discord people like, like no permanent channels out of the box

Listen, I've stated my hatred for Discord multiple times, I have tried to get friends off of it for *years* nothing fucking works. You can go ahead and look at me as a chud if you really want, but I'm a normal person and I expect others would probably experience very similar experiences if they try converting their friends away from Discord.

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com use kiwiirc chud

@denza252@shitposter.world I unironically had some less savvy friends use that and somehow they couldn't figure out changing their name without /nick'ing manually every time they signed into my IRC. It was really silly.

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com what the fuck

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com I used XMPP before and I think it's really not that bad, the tricky part is finding the right providers.

@denza252@shitposter.world And people still yell at me the options I've already tried!

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com @denza252@shitposter.world I mean discord is extremely popular, just like google chrome, youtube and stuff like that. And it's impossible for a lot of people to leave when all of their friends are on discord and they don't wanna leave them for another website. I tried out matrix, it has the worst people on it that I could think of, with discord you can get a mixed of both, but it has a really good community at least to me

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com actually popular as alternatives: telegram, maybe signal a little bit, previously skype (rip) ig irc is actually popular also but yeah too dated for normies and zoomies. permanent channels is probably the least of your issues though, id argue the need for a bouncer for history and no inline upload is what is more of an issue for these types

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com https://thelounge.chat/ i haven't really used this one but it's probably even more noob-proof than kiwiirc (i base this on nothing)

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com @denza252@shitposter.world And discord has a very simple and easy design compared to those other social messagers you're talking about right now

@Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org XMPP isn't bad if you have at least a minor knack for computers, but getting others used to it was an unexpected challenge, like there's basically no clients for iOS and having to tell people what a 'domain' is because some clients straight up ask you what your server is by asking what your domain is, is tedious.

@Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com simple my ass they keep adding pointless buttons

@denza252@shitposter.world That is a bouncer.

@denza252@shitposter.world @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com Well compared to matrix and xmpp, where you can enable end to end encryption which requires both parties to verify. And it's not popular because it's doesn't have a sense of community, except for those that are very interesting in linux like me for example. And omg kde plasma is awesome

@denza252@shitposter.world @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com And tbh people don't care about their privacy anymore, even though after what happened with this elections, it's more important than ever before

@maija@netzsphaere.xyz I'd probably consider telegram some more cause at least their client is FOSS but Moth (rip) and Gleason got banned from it with no obvious reason so, bit scary.

@Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com Jojo is back again? Hey, what's up?

@Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com yeah like privacy is important but revealed preferences show people value convenience more, and dislodging established players is tough. Not to mention, it's a self-reinforcing thing where the bigger some platform gets the harder it is to move off since "nobody else is there" All new vids on VidMe btw

@denza252@shitposter.world @Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org Not like I care about it all that much too, if I were concerned about it I would be like sysrq would be all over Tor. I just wish people would move to something that's not Discord and that's not run by a corporation.

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com I've recently been enjoying DeltaChat

@denza252@shitposter.world @Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org Aside: I tried self hosting Revolt actually, and that's a mess of a project, like there's no admin panel out of the gate so you have to deal with MongoDB hell, when I installed it a part of revolt was just straight up broken, and they don't support self hosting without a docker container really. Absolute shitshow of a project.

@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo I've heard of it, maybe I'll play around with it later.

@authen@brain.worm.pink People have cold called me on there randomly more than once. SMS but by Facebook basically, really silly stuff.

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com @authen@brain.worm.pink Sms is not even safe

@Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org @authen@brain.worm.pink The grid.

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com its a xmpp fork actually did u know that

@authen@brain.worm.pink A couple of companies have just taken the standard and used it as a base for their own thing. Wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened with WhatsApp initially. Definitely doesn't federate.

@nyanide@lab.nyanide.com @authen@brain.worm.pink

@sysrq@lab.nyanide.com @authen@brain.worm.pink @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com not pictured: me: WHERES THE MONEY

@theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @authen@brain.worm.pink @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com

@sysrq@lab.nyanide.com @authen@brain.worm.pink @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com standard MK moment

@lunarised@whinge.town @authen@brain.worm.pink @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com He won't talk to me 💔

@Jojothegoodperson@fsebugoutzone.org @nyanide@lab.nyanide.com The same. You?