the latest vaxxer cope: "The blood clots are overblown!!!". Niggas are sounding like people who rightly view the COVID deaths as propaganda numbers, the exact people who they claim aren't "following the science". Meanwhile from a game theory perspective it makes no sense to pull the vaccine if the vaccines deaths were even equal to COVID. The vaccine risks must be many orders of magnitude greater for it to justify suspending them.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc >it makes no sense to pull the vaccine Alternatively, politicians are whores who will do anything to stay in power while societies are exhausted by the restrictions and very, very distrustful.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc if its even equal to covid then there is no point. and we all know how nothing covid is so then the vaccines are probably bad enough to pull

@slovborg@poa.st there is no math to be done, the numbers don't exist. The propaganda is so thick that you can only use game theory to come to conclusions. It's clear that health authorities believe AstraZeneca is significantly more risky than getting COVID19. That it's so risky that reducing transmission and mutation does not outweigh the elevated risk to the individual. It's so risky that they're willing to damage their own propaganda and vaccination efforts. The risk of the vaccine has to be astronomical to do that.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc The anti-AstraZeneca drive is large part dirty play by competing vaccine producers, and you retards are falling for it. It's clear which countries this concernstroking is coming from: the countries which produce competing vaccines and their propaganda media (Germany and US with Pfizer, Russia with Sputnik V)

@slovborg@poa.st @crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc exactly

@wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc @crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc The biggest irony here is that AstraZeneca isn't even mRNA yet most of the vaguest statements why some don't trust the vaccine use the crutch of saying "they don't trust the new technology because it hasn't been tested for decades yet".

@slovborg@poa.st @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc imagine how bad the mRNA vaccines are if the AstraZeneca was bad? :^) We'll see, I'm not against vaccinations as a broad concept. There's just no reason to trust any government, health authority or vaccine company. They've demonstrated a rate of being wrong 100% of the time, initially. We'll see how it pans out in a few years.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc Taiwan has been 100% right since the very start, so I guess I'll trust whatever Taiwan does :^)

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @slovborg@poa.st "being wrong 100% of the time" is incorrect and you know that :-/ if you don't trust governments, health authorities or vaccine companies then do you trust anyone about medicine at all? here is a good source of evidence-based studies if someone didn't know about it: www.cochrane.org (in spite of the name it's not a goatse thing, it is real and trusted) I mean true, better to become a doctor and then a specialist so you know yourself.

@wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc @slovborg@poa.st please give me one (1) example of a western government having a correct initial policy regarding anything, thanks.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @slovborg@poa.st define "initial" then - a "first" policy? give an example of "initial policy". Initial policies change as conditions change. Policies evolve in the same way as medicine evolves and conditions evolve and apply differently to different areas. A policy we have today will be surely be different in 100 years but we are implementing a policy now for the present conditions in the current area. What do you mean "Western" though? sounds like some Russian disinformation to me.

@wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc @slovborg@poa.st >initial the criteria being if it happened after February, they were wrong. If they flip flopped on the position, they were wrong. >western Western governments operate in lock step, they all get their instructions from homoglobo. Different spheres of influence, different information. For example the WHO would give different advice to Asian countries about masks as compared to Western countries.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc And how are you going to have the correct "initial" (February 2020 or earlier) policy, if you were fed garbage data by China and WHO? Garbage in, garbage out. Taiwan here was the only one who got it right exactly because WHO is boycotting them, so they had to resort to independently collecting data (through Chinese social media).

@slovborg@poa.st @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc if it took you until March to reach obvious conclusions you're basically incompetent and a germ theory denier. There's not much more to say.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc I see what kind of people study public administration at my university, and therefore I assume a priori that anyone who works in the state apparatus is incompetent (until proven otherwise).

@slovborg@poa.st @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc but it's not just the government, it was the medical authorities, the media. There's never been a greater example of The Cathedral.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc Media tend to take in the same kind of incompetents as public administration. As for medical authorities, there seems to be a problem of selection: that competent people become medical professionals, and incompetent become bureaucrats...

@slovborg@poa.st @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc we're not really in disagree there. The point being is that they've been 100% of the time. Excluding vaccine decisions every policy decision that has been made should have been made by the end of February. It was obvious. You mentioned Iceland I checked and honestly I don't see them behaving different at all. They finally started testing people arriving internationally in January... of 2021. lol, what?

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc Testing people at the point when they arrive in the country is kinda useless, tbh. Virus is in incubation stage for about a week so unless the person arriving in is about to develop symptoms in a day or two, you won't detect them when screening at entrance.

@slovborg@poa.st @wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc the correct decision is to not accept international flights, simple as.

@crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc @slovborg@poa.st except that is really just a flu except that the flu is dangerous for old and very young people and this flu just for old people. It's not Ebola. It's not the plague. Remember when Zika was meant to be the end of the world? and the bird flu? now there is a cold going around but making people hygienic saves a lot of money in public health overall

@wikifarms@kiwifarms.cc @slovborg@poa.st hard border closures should have happened in Feburary. COVID should have be contained. It should have never became a pandemic. The risk was entirety unknown and therefore the greatest, not only because of the closing window for possible containment. It was an obvious call, instead of doing it they went out of there way to encourage the spread. Now that we know, they're trying to force people to take vaccines with a significantly higher risk than a "just a flu". It's totally the opposite of what should have happened.