American Comics used to be really popular and cool. First the "Comics Code Authority" stifled that and strangled all the life out of it. By the time of the 80's when people stopped caring about it the only things left were Superhero stories whose authors had no ownership of the comics they wrote and dragged on forever.

This is why comics in the US have for a long time been relegated to children. This reads like the directives of a propaganda department.

"Policemen, judges, government officials, and respected institutions shall never be presented in such a way as to create disrespect for established authority." This really says it all. This isn't art it's no different than party approved propaganda from the USSR.

We just have to be thankful that the video games industry learned from that and the ESRB did basically nothing besides label games age ratings

The FBI has a very active hollywood arm that integrates with all their media creation, all so people are never exposed to narratives that put them in a bad light. If you're lucky enough to slip a corrupt FBI agent through the cracks and get it in your script, they'll make sure you solve the problem by showing that 99 good guy FBI agents save the day and write that "infrequent" wrong Military is similar but not so stringent, they have enough hippies in their midst to blunt a pure antiwar stance. Still have to play nice if you want to rent equipment, but you get more room creatively

Yeah. Even then the way they view things is out of whack. But it is worlds better than what was imposed upon movies and comics in the 50s. There should be some regulation of publicly consumed media content: pro-faggot and gender ideology should be banned, etc. But the 1950s ideal of a puritanical system worshiping media is disgusting. According to their standards many classical works of art are obscene because of simple nudity, violence, etc.

Aye, this is my biggest issue with the whole MUH 50'S thing, and these sorts still did the same shit later on, like spazzing about D&D for example being Satanic or Harry Potter or the like. I need to find that Goebbels quote about this exact problem lol.

There is an anti-art strain that is very present within American conservatism, the 1950s heydays being an excellent example, that needs to be crushed. It doesn't just infest the minds of conservatards but anyone not critical enough of the imposed mass-"morality" that comes from the media.

I'm sorry, I'm going to blogpost again. Firstly, I agree with the wolfposter and Siegfried. I remember thinking the "Rich Men North of Richmond" moment could have been a big one for the mainstream to grab onto, maybe talk about poor Whites a little. And so I went looking around to see what they were all saying and it was, with almost 0 exceptions, all demeaning talk about people being driven by emotions and not understanding facts and logic. Like, brother, you have an unequivocal cultural win. A true conservative(-ish) statement that is resonating with everyone. And your response is that Music Boy needs to Get a Real Job and stop being so emotional? Jesus fucking Christ, fellas, if this is what the core looks like, who needs controlled opposition? That's why I am trying to start screaming at our side: Create art. Make games. Make video content. MAKE STUFF. Pierce understood it. You win minds after you win hearts.

I don't think Hitler being an artist was a coincidence either

I see a ton of creative energy on our side of Fedi and I'd love to see it harnessed. Especially for stuff that just promotes White virtues. The war against beauty started in art a long, long time ago. Impressionism and its war on the French Classical school up to openly hostile Marxist shit like Dadaism. It slips by a lot of people for the more obvious March Through the Institutions stuff, but it's a war we've been slowly letting slip away for a long time. Which is not to download the modern Jew contribution to queering and leftoiding the arts.

Comic books were also made using "over the wall" production lines that systematically kept any one person or small group of people from becoming too valuable or distinct. It's not now generally known, but newspaper comic artists – who generally owned their own IP, did their own work start to finish, and set their own direction – were considered to be leagues above those corralled in the comic book bullpens. The Comics Code Authority is much-decried now – it did have a terrible effect – but it's not the only reason we don't have an American equivalent to manga today.

American conservatism lacks the vital spark – and I mean that literally, as in it lacks any spark that affirms flourishing life – that would nourish art. It only knows how to smother and extract. Art's messy. It's unpredictable. It doesn't show up for work on time and faithfully enrich its boss before going home to watch paint dry or despawning in the corner of a gas station parking lot, so the zombie cuckold ideology of conservatism shies away from it hissing like a vampire in sight of a cross.

>Impressionism and its war on the French Classical school That's a subject of debate to have there. The rebellion against the classical maybe wasn't the right thing to do but I don't think Impressionism in and of itself is a bad thing. Otherwise, I quite agree.

Add in the nonsensical distribution system, in comparison to monthly periodicals with multiple series running each issue in the case of manga, and you got yourself an industry incapable of adaption.

I thought this video did a pretty good job of touching on some of the issues that plague "American comic books" (meaning capeslop) and what alternatives look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSBUX6GPsA

Interesting. Tbh the comic book scene prior to the dominance of manga is a foreign thing to me, on multiple levels, and the only real experience of comics before the current zietgiest is getting some Star Wars comics at the local store as a child; I never cared for superhero stuff even at that age. This is no dig at Bones, I've never read it, but the fact that the alternative western comic market is largely captured by Scholastic doesn't sit well with me at all. I don't think a large company dominant in the industry focused on children's media, which is an issue unto itself, can really support the artistic freedom that we praise in manga. There is a lot of work to still be done here to even approximate the artistic and mature creative quality that you can can find in even the smallest manga periodical. Also the possibility of a de-facto "Comics Code" forming in such an environment is worrying.

America also has no doujinshi scene (the sad, warped imitation that's had the term slapped over it as marketing doesn't count) in all its messy, porny, self-indulgent, IP-holders-looking-the-other-way glory. The guideposts that temper and blood a prospective mangaka who's publishing doujinshi (and almost all of them did, right back into the '80s, and still do) are the exact same things that would've/still do get an American doing the same thing turned into a smoking legal crater.

@wan@poa.st @Arkana@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st don't forget the fact that the nsfw artists in the West do it for the money and less because of the waifuism (some end up in more mainstream careers in the animation sphere but so many think patreon is the limit)

Plenty in Japan do it for the money as well, by one route or the other. A doujinshi circle turning to porn because they're sick of eating the losses on their offset book runs is a cliché in certain self-referential works. What's different is that this all happens within a larger half-century-long vibe that itself comes from a different cultural base.

@wan@poa.st @Arkana@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st well there's also really high budget NSFW stuff, and doujin circles getting high budget like Type Moon. According to 16-bit sensation (the manga not the anime "adaptation") after an infamous incident in which a kid stole some random ass NSFW game and the boomers went Jack Thompson in the media over it, the NSFW industry both started to self-regulate but also that's when slowly the production values went up and tones shifted. I mean, you don't see devs like Alice Soft in the west, or many of the other ones throughout the eras like Elf, leaf, and more. Nor do you see people saying "wow this is a solid game except it has porn scenes but fuck it's a solid game", or treating western NSFW games as a cult thing like weird VHS era movies. To the west, porn games are always like what James Rolfe reviewed with the Atari Porn episode of AVGN, or meme tier games like Rapelay.

@wan@poa.st @Arkana@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st The other interesting thing about NSFW games in Japan is simpler: when the Sega Saturn came out devs found One Weird Trick to make money: take a porno game and take the sex out of the game. Games like Desire, EVE Burst Error, Yu-No, and more ended up with Sega Saturn ports with the porn removed and just the story, and needless to say a game like Yu-No still was solid without the sex scenes. This continued onto the PS2 era for sure, and the PS2 had many "all ages" VN ports without the sex scenes (and then there were SFW VNs that solely focused on a story, like Steins Gate as well). Eventually this led to lots of money being made and some mainstream success, which would inevitably cross over into the western weeb circles. VNs are far more popular than they were a decade or a two ago, where they would either be obscure or the kind of games that some SomethingAwful writer would take the piss out of.

@Pawlicker@lab.nyanide.com @Arkana@poa.st @wan@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st I often wondered if animation within American/Canadian productions had a similar altitude, where they drew/rendered/wrote the most wildest/sexiest stuff imaginable and later sanitized it immensely to be approved by the Hays Code (or those Standards & Practices or the MPAA). A few might've been left unscathed, but too bad a lot of it has a lot of snouts and fur.

Maybe. Then again if we look at a lot of the underground sort of adult animation that came out in the day it's not something of any redeemable value. Maybe Tex Avery or someone like him had some unpublished drawing or something that are worthwhile. As one guy posted earlier: the Hays Code and its ilk has served the purpose of handing the depictions of the human form solely to the pornographers.

Honestly, I don't mean disrespect to the greats of the time, manga is genuinely a better inspiration to take from if you want to reclaim the human form from porn, outside of classical methods, than the whole cartoon scene, in my opinion. There's a whole lot of cultural baggage and boomer perversion swept up in that scene that manga doesn't have. Not to say trying is impossible, but it seems like the culture will need to change a lot for it to work.

I envy the French in that they have a functional and sane cartoon and animation scene in their country in this sense.

To produce an animation from scratch, you must first bring forth a culture.

I had that exact thing in mind.

The animation director's(?) notes on the cel version have a certain straightforward panache: >For the cheek, no need to do more. That will be enough... she didn't swallow a hamster. >IMPORTANT CENSORSHIP: Please raise the glass in her hand to make sure that the drink's level will cover the nipple. >Here, the glass no longer hides anything, so it is IMPERATIVE to respect the framing in order to hide what is necessary. >It is imperative that the water level hides the lower abdomen and that the window hides the chest (seen with Olivier (decor)). Thank you. >IMPORTANT. THE FRAMING MUST TOTALLY HIDE THE NIPPLES. >IMPORTANT: For censorship, it's imperative that the hands be well-placed. >IMPORTANT: FRAME so that the nipples are COMPLETELY hidden. It's plain ol' standard practice for illustrators and animators to draw beyond the frame as well as to include what will be hidden by closer layers, after all.

I wonder if anything similar from Disney or Warner Bros has ever come out or if their corporate culture frowned upon such artistic practice?

Disney owns everything their artists and animators drew during their tenure, which includes a good amount of smut

I've heard this, and I believe it, but I've never seen more than Internet scuttlebutt about it. Are there any closer sources that go into it?

I think most of it comes from this tumblr post

Holy shit. Walt is rolling in his grave

He already was i think (((Eisner))) taking over his company started the motor.

They hid Walt's condition from him during the last months of his life so he couldn't properly prepare beforehand. Since then it's been in a long slide down into jewish control. At least during Eisner's era they had good white writers and animators, just with jewish direction. That's why they could still create great movies. Afterwards they weeded out all the talent and just had yesmen and leftists so it's all trash

Yeah he did a lot of work with the parks. Getting in a teenage audience, making new areas, etc. Much better than Iger whose only contribution seems to be replacing old rides with new worse versions that have Disney IPs.

@Arkana@poa.st @JeffGrimesArt@nicecrew.digital @adequate@poa.st @wan@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st @ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world @berkberkman@shitposter.world Modern Disney is impressive for the wrong reasons: They've managed to turn a cash cow business into the most "who gives a single shit" thing possible. What do I mean by this? Well just look at Star Wars. They managed to buy a franchise that was a literal cash cow even when there wasn't anything new with the main films coming out in YEARS, and run it into the ground. They managed to turn a popular sci-fi franchise that every nerd was into, into shit that everyone is ashamed of being into except for the most basic bitch soy nerds out there (see video). Even better; they killed the Star Wars EU and replaced it with their own that's shittier and threw out all the cult pieces of media in that realm. Now Star Wars is infamous for being part of the "Toy Mountains" at every Ollie's.

@Arkana@poa.st @JeffGrimesArt@nicecrew.digital @ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world @adequate@poa.st @berkberkman@shitposter.world @wan@poa.st @wgiwf@poa.st the other funny thing about Disney is how the movies they were milking with Star Wars were total flops. I mean the prequels never did this badly, after the first sequel the hype for Star Wars movies fell off a cliff hard. What I mean is; while the prequel trilogy is heavily memed today; the prequel trilogy was having unreal levels of hype for each release that you'll never see again. You never saw the same hype levels for Episode 8 or 9 like you saw with Episode II or III. It wasn't just marketing, those movies were simply better and more ingrained in the culture over time. In fact, are there even sequel memes like with prequel memes, where everyone is meming different parts of the movie? Shit, was there any part of the sequels that had it's own video game, like the Pod Racing scene getting multiple games, games based on the Death Star assault or Hoth battle, or RTS games based on the Clone Wars arc? Exactly. I've never seen the prequel movies in ages, and yet I could name many of the events of them just because of memes and references. I couldn't name a single part of the sequels because nobody gives a shit about them.

>list of kino disney couples forgetting someone?